Kathi Lipp (00:54) 

Well, hey friends, welcome to Clutter Free Academy, where our goal is to help you take small, doable steps to live every day with less clutter and more life. And guys, just welcome to our spiciest episode ever. 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:10) 

the puns. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:12) 

Well, okay, we should let you guys know you don’t have to hide your kids for this this isn’t spicy like book talk spicy this No, no, no and you guys We we are here to talk about your spice cabinet very exciting right Tonya 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:19) 

Yeah, there’s no chili pepper spiciness on this one. 

  

Super exciting. I mean, if you like to cook, it’s definitely exciting. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:35) 

Yes, and we are just going to take advantage of some of our experience with organizing our spices and how to get that from going from cluttered and chaos to cooking optimized. That’s exactly what we want. 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:53) 

Yeah. And so Kathi, I’m just curious. I first of all, I’m loving the series that we’re doing where we’re taking like these small sections of the house that plague all of us so much when it comes to clutter. They just get out of hand easily. And I know that I’m not alone because we have this episode. So I know that you have the same problem where the spice cabinet drawer, whatever you like to do with your spices, like goes cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. So 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:04) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:23) 

Talk to us about yours. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:25) 

Well, okay, I can talk to you about before, before I found the solution that actually works for me, because I’m gonna save that till the end, as you know, Tonya, I’m very proud of my spice system. yes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:34) 

Okay. 

  

I know you are. I know you are. And I 

  

haven’t seen the latest one, I don’t think. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:44) 

Okay, 

  

so well, I think you’ve seen part of it, but yes well there are layers much like a spicy stew. There are layers to my spice cabinet. Well, okay. So for years I tried different things. I did your traditional spice rack where you know, it was hanging up in the kitchen, but I didn’t love that because I I’m never the only time I ever owned spices where their containers matched. 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:47) 

Okay. 

  

Ha ha! 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:14) 

was the 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:14) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:14) 

day after I got married. Like somebody gave us a spice container. So I’ve had the kind that spin on your cabinet. I have the kind on the wall. But I also, not every spice company is equal. And some of them have spices that I really like. And then there are others like, I’m not a fennel person. Like fennel, my mom apparently, 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:16) 

Got it. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:40) 

was addicted to fennel and anise. So black, black licorice flavors when she was pregnant with me. I can’t stand either of those. So like, I don’t need any of those. But you know, they come in different sizes, different containers, like, and what is a spice? I mean, I know what a spice is. But also, we have other things like the baking soda, baking powder, vanilla paste, all that kind of stuff. 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:45) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Hahaha 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:07) 

So mine was kind of a jumble some of it looks super organized, but I wouldn’t say it was super functional and I would just waste time You know because some of the spices were behind other spices And then I’d run low on the spice and I’d re buy that spice only to find out. I actually had that spice somewhere 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:10) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:31) 

Spices should not be this big of an issue in a human’s life. It just shouldn’t be. How’s your spice situation? 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:40) 

Yeah, 

  

equally frustrating, but in different ways. Because for us, like before I even met Brian, so like we’re going back a lot of years, I always bought re refillable spice containers. So I had a selection of spice containers, and then I just buy like bulk spices in bags and go in like that, and I replace it, which is awesome. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:44) 

Okay? 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, okay. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:06) 

They have a little label on them. They’re beautiful, except for the cumin, which somehow got too close to a burner is halfway melted. But aside from that one, right? It’s beautiful. But the problem is I don’t actually have enough. think I have 24, which works for like the main spices. But you know, Mr. Kubo is a big fan of the Trader Joe’s seasoning blends. And I am not devoting a label to 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:08) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Right. 

  

yeah, I get it. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:34) 

a seasoning blend that may or may not have a long time shelf life in our house. And I already have my other ones full. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:42) 

Yes, and you know, I just saw a TikTok where a woman who’s neurodivergent has a Trader Joe’s spice. I think it was the pizza spice that they just discontinued and she was heartbroken. And yes, I can see not wanting to dedicate a whole label to something because you’re not, you’re not. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:47) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Okay. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:08) 

discontinuing basil. Like, yes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:11) 

Right, well exactly. 

  

And like a lot of mine are like single spices or single herbs, right? And so with the blends, it doesn’t make sense to put the blends in there, because we go through various blends. And then we’re back to the issue that I think you were alluding to, right? So I’ve got some that are like in the little tiny short containers, like the half an ounce or whatever. Then I’ve got some that are in that four ounce container. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:16) 

Mm-hmm. Yes. 

  

Right. 

  

Mm-hmm. Right. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:37) 

Then I’ve 

  

got some we’ve gotten from Costco, right? So they’re ginormous and they barely fit in the cabinet. And part of it is I have to rely on my memory to let me know like, okay, am I looking in my refillable spices? Do I look in the cabinet or do I look in the drawer? Three locations, Kathi, three. For spices. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:41) 

Yeah. 

  

Right. Right. 

  

I get it 

  

for spices. It should not be this much drama. But if you like to cook or you’re forced to cook, spices make everything better. And so we’re gonna need to figure out this spice situation, right? 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:14) 

Mm hmm. Yeah. We and well, we need to figure it out. And I think what, Kathi, we owe it to our listeners to give them a variety of options. Right. And so I think what we can do is I think we have enough time before we cut to commercial to go through a couple of options and then we’ll take our break. How does that sound? 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:26) 

Yes, absolutely. 

  

Okay, 

  

I think that sounds beautiful. Okay, so the first thing I think you need to do is we need to declutter your spices and people, know, declutter your spices. But I’m guessing if you do any amount of cooking, you have a couple of basils, you have a spice that you tried from Trader Joe’s and you realized it’s nobody’s favorite or 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:45) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Can I tell 

  

you which one that is? Trader Joe’s seasoning salt. It is the worst thing I’ve ever tasted and I figured out why. It has a bunch of celery salt that, and in my mouth, celery salt tastes bitter. I like celery, but celery salt is very bitter to me, overpowers the whole thing. I hate it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:04) 

Yeah, do tell. 

  

really? 

  

Okay. 

  

Yeah. Okay. and you, 

  

yeah. Okay. See guys, if you don’t like celery salt, Tonya just saved you four bucks. And yes. So again, you guys know I’m not a huge fan of pull everything into the middle of the room and sort it out, but we are talking microspaces here. Your spices in most houses are microspaces. 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:43) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:47) 

So I am going to encourage you to take everything out of the cabinet and I want you to do some things like check for expiration dates. Now, I will say this. I’m not worried if your cilantro is expired. The only thing, you you’re not going to die of cilantro poisoning as far as I know, but your spices get less effective the older they are. 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:14) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:16) 

So if you can’t smell the spice, you need to toss it. If you have six basils, maybe take a couple of unopened ones to the food pantry or give them to a friend or something like that. And then one thing you can do, you can group them. Now, I’ll tell you how I group mine. I have a couple of different ways. So we have your basic set of spices and then I have my blends. 

  

So I have two different areas for that. So my basil is not, my basil spice is not next to my bohemian spice because the bohemian is a blend, the basil is a regular. you know, so there’s herbs, ground spices, baking essential, and also let’s keep the things that we use the most towards the front. So if you have a cabinet or something like that, but, 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:56) 

Mm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:14) 

Here’s why we’re gonna go through so many different iterations of space spice organization is because in every place I’ve lived I’ve had to organize differently because my kitchen layout has been different and you just have to work with what you have because none of us here are Remodeling our kitchen cabinets because of basil. We’re just not doing it so 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:25) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Right. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:39) 

The first thing I want to talk about is a tiered shelf or expandable rack. So this is very simple. This is part of my solution. This is part of the solution I have for things like my vanilla bean paste and my I have a cinnamon shaker and I have a powdered sugar shaker and I have baking soda and baking powder and all these different kinds of things. 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:52) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:06) 

And those are not going to fit into my spice rack situation, but they do fit on these tiered, think of them as stairs. And so if you were putting your humans on the stairs, you could put tall people in the back and then shorter people up front. But even if they were kind of the same height, you’d still be able to see the people in the back because they’re on a taller step. That’s the same thing I do. 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:16) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm, right. Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:34) 

Some of my spice blends and things like that that they’re a little bit bigger a little bit more awkward You these come in bamboo and by the way, we’ll have links to all of these You know Amazon links to all of these in the back mine are white plastic and they expand so they fit into the space in your cabinet and Yeah, it makes it so you can see everything at a glance. So like I have some barbecue seasonings there 

  

things like that that I don’t use all the time, but I want to know about. And so we’ll put those links in there. 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:12) 

Awesome. my gosh, this is so helpful, Kathi. And especially, I really liked the idea of keeping the, I’ll call them the single ingredient spices separate from the blends. Cause I think that is incredibly helpful. So, okay. So you’ve told us like we first got to declutter. We got to pair it down, consolidate, toss, whatever you need to do, but let’s pair it down so that we don’t have six basil. Cause that 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:23) 

He has. 

  

Yes. 

  

Mm-hmm. Yep. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:41) 

would be a problem for most of us, maybe not all of us. Then you talked about the of the simplest storage solution it sounds to me is this expandable like shelf sort of stair step thing. Do you feel like it’s the most affordable solution too? 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:48) 

Yeah. 

  

Right? 

  

Oh yeah, by far the most affordable. You I think those things you can buy them for like 10 to $13 and that’s really gonna amp up your space. But I think the next most affordable one is, and here’s the thing, I would never personally use this solution. Cause I feel like a kitchen drawer is about the most valuable space in your entire house. But I know for some people, this is the magical solution. And this is, it’s a pullout spice drawer. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:12) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:25) 

or you know, what it does is you can pull out the drawer, the spices are laying down in the drawer, but they are segmented out. so there are a couple of pullout drawers we can talk about. That’s one where you can pull out just one of your cabinet drawers or your kitchen drawers and those spices are laying down. There’s another one that I think is really interesting. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:35) 

Hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:51) 

that I have not tried, but I might at some point, especially in our RV where space is limited. And this is like, it’s a pull-out, and we’ll have pictures of all of these in the notes, but this is like a pull-out cabinet, pull-out rack where the spices are standing up. So you can, it’s both sides, it’s like toy soldier rows of spices where you can see them standing up. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:54) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Okay, 

  

so it goes in a cabinet, but it’s a drawer system that fits inside a cabinet versus having an organization system that fits inside of a drawer. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:22) 

Yes. 

  

Exactly. there I’ve I’ve confused us. I get it. I really have Yes 

  

Tonya Kubo (14:32) 

No, it’s okay. I summarized it. We’re good. This is the 

  

beauty of having two of us here. Well, and the reason I wanted to pull that out and clarify is because I think there are a lot of people who do prefer some kind of drawer based system. So having a solution for the people who do want to use their own drawer, right? But make that work for them is helpful. And then also for somebody who 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:50) 

Yes. 

  

Yes. Right. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:00) 

maybe has a little extra cabinet space, but that doesn’t work for them because they don’t like the cabinet layout, then they can get a drawer system to insert. my gosh, this is really actually, it’s quite creative, Kathi. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:06) 

Right. 

  

Yes. 

  

Mm-hmm. I 

  

I really I I think if you can solve this problem You can improve your nighttime cooking routine by a solid seven percent Yes, yes 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:24) 

Ooh, I like a solid 7%. Not too high, 

  

not too low. This is good. Okay, let’s cut to commercial really quick. Pay some bills. We’ll be right back. 

  

my gosh. So we are back talking about, think one of the most valuable pieces of real estate in your home, which is the space you allocate to spices. Cause it seems like a small space, but it can get out of hand really, really quickly. And Kathi is walking us through a variety of solutions on how to tame that incredibly chaotic area. So you heard us before the commercial break. Now we’re coming back. Kathi. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:48) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:05) 

Talk to me about what I think is everybody’s practice when it comes to organizing. I think most of our listeners are probably already shocked that we haven’t brought it up. 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:17) 

Are you talking lazy Susans? Okay, and I will say this is part of my, I apparently, I don’t think I realized it until we did this episode that I have like a five, five layer solution to all of this, but it’s just, it’s where we’re at. It’s what works. And so I have a lazy Susan, very tall lazy Susan that I keep things like, you know, the Costco size, 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:19) 

I’m totally talking lazy Susans. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, it’s what works. 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:46) 

containers of They’re the blends, you know, so the those kind of things. I keep them on the lazy Susan. I also keep some other You know like seasoning salts and things like that on there and that is just you know You turn around you’re doubling or tripling your space The problem is whatever on the inside of that lazy Susan will never be seen again Yeah, so you either you either have to not care about it 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:59) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

I was gonna say it never sees the light of day. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:16) 

or you just have to promise yourself that you’re not gonna fill up that space. But really, where is there a space in your kitchen that has not been filled? 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:24) 

Never. Now I have a question about the lazy Susan though. So my experience with lazy Susans, it doesn’t take long before eventually they don’t quite spin as smoothly as they used to. And so then that’s what drives me up a wall. Cause I’m like, I have what looks like a lazy Susan, but it is not lazying around for me. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:25) 

Right. Yes. 

  

Okay. 

  

Mm-hmm Yes, okay 

  

So you may have to turn that thing take everything off turn it upside down and see if there’s anything blocking the mechanism Or you mention may just have too much on it Yeah, and it’s well it’s probably too stuffed and it’s getting stuck in a corner or something and so maybe you just need a little TLC 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:50) 

Hmm. 

  

it never occurred to me that that could be a problem, but that’s probably the problem. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Alright, okay, so, lazy Susan, what else do we got? 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:09) 

Yeah, 

  

okay, so if you are super super tight on space in your kitchen So these are some I’m gonna give you some rapid-fire solutions that I have used in spaces like Our RV where there there is no space the space doesn’t exist. So one of those things is There are under cabinet Storage for yeah, so you can see all that. I think that that is ideal for somebody who says 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:15) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Hmm. 

  

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:38) 

here are the eight spices I’m going to use. I am not bringing blends into my kitchen. I will make the blend. So that’s an option for that. Another thing that you might want to consider is a holder for the side of your refrigerator. If many refrigerators are not magnetized on the front anymore, 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:43) 

Right. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:03) 

but they are on the side. And so there are so many great storage solutions. So if you’re working in a tiny apartment or an RV, or maybe it’s a work kitchen cabinet, and you just have a little bit of space, one of those magnetized things will help it so you don’t lose that shelf in your kitchen that is so, so valuable. So something along those lines, thinking outside the box is really, really helpful in those situations. 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:16) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, 

  

well, I mean, exactly, right? It’s like, you really just have to look at your kitchen and go, you know, what, what is my usable space and what makes the most sense to put here and be willing to be creative. Cause to your point, I’ve seen a lot of knife organizers, for instance, that could go on the side of the fridge, that are magnetized side of the fridge or side of the stove. And of course these are for people who do not have children. Cause I could just see how that would work. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:38) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Right. Yeah. 

  

Exactly. 

  

Abby. 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:02) 

But just be exactly. But 

  

you know what? Spices could be a safe thing to magnetize to the side of my fridge. So I love that creativity. But I hear a rumor that maybe Roger told me, maybe Roger didn’t tell me, who knows, that you have actually a super duper favorite solution to spice organization. Lay it on us. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:08) 

Yeah. Right. 

  

We’re 

  

my goodness. 

  

You know can spice organization actually be life-changing. I don’t know But if it could be this would be the one it’s from a brand called utopia and it’s not it’s y-o-u like you topia and It is I it’s so interesting. So it’s a plastic Set of shelves that when you pull it out when you pull out a shelf 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:32) 

You 

  

Okay. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:56) 

it drops down so you can see all of the spices on that shelf. And of course, I’ve labeled the edge of each shelf so I know what’s on there. But this, it lays it out so beautifully. You know I do a cooking show every Wednesday on Facebook. And I love it. Every time I need a spice, I can just go there and I know I have it. And so part of 

  

Tonya Kubo (21:21) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (21:25) 

keeping that system working. I have one for my basic like basil and then I have another set that is for my blends like Bohemian. And I love it so much because I can see at a glance what I have. I keep those at least two thirds full. I feel like that’s kind of the, that’s when I need, I know I need to get something else unless it’s a crazy expensive spice like saffron. 

  

Tonya Kubo (21:31) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Okay. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (21:55) 

Saffron, 

  

you know, if we’re gonna wait till we get down to the bottom before we’re my goodness, right? Because yeah, that’s a different tax bracket if you are or you live in a different country where saffron is not quite that expensive Yeah that and vanilla holy cow, but I love this so much. It makes it so much It’s so easy. You can see what you have at a glance It doesn’t matter that I buy some of my spices from savory spice 

  

Tonya Kubo (22:00) 

The last thread! 

  

is easier to get. 

  

Kathi Lipp (22:24) 

and some of them from Whole Foods and some of them from Safeway because nobody sees them but me. I just keep them all behind there and it fits most of your containers. So I do have a couple where I’ve doubled up on some of those little containers and it just looks it looks nice and it makes me it makes me smile every time I use it. 

  

Tonya Kubo (22:31) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, well, and I think that’s important, right? Because if we have to eat, I mean, the truth is, is we have to eat, we don’t necessarily have to cook. But if we have to eat and we choose to cook, we should have a measure of enjoyment in the cooking experience. And to your earlier point, the frustration, having like the spices fall out on you or fall onto the cabinet when you’re trying to get to something that really can take, even if you enjoy cooking, that can rob the joy from. 

  

Kathi Lipp (22:56) 

Right. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yes, yes. 

  

It really can. 

  

Tonya Kubo (23:17) 

So now I have a hard question, Kathi, because you know me, I like to throw you curve balls now and then. You have laid out a lot of solutions and you know, our listeners and our Facebook community members, we struggle a little bit with some decision fatigue. Notice how I put myself in that picture just now? Yeah, I said we, it wasn’t the royal we. And so with so many choices, how do you help us decide? 

  

Kathi Lipp (23:20) 

Okay, I love a good hard question. Let’s do it. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Sure. Yes. 

  

I can actually answer this pretty easily. You need a tape measure. You need a tape measure. Yes, but you know what? The tape measure helps you decide what actually is going to work for your space. And so you may think, youtopia that Kathi’s talking about, that will change my life. And then you go to measure your cabinet and you’re like, it would change my life if it fit, but it doesn’t. 

  

Tonya Kubo (23:47) 

Okay. 

  

That was not what I saw coming, but okay. 

  

Hmm. 

  

Yeah 

  

Kathi Lipp (24:13) 

So 

  

I’m not going, so you can do this through process of elimination. So get a tape measure out, check these links that we’re sharing with you on Amazon and see what will actually fit for your space. And I would just say, give yourself a half inch grace on most of these things because not that I think they’re lying to you, but just to make sure that it can fit well. And really consider a combination. What I’ve really used, 

  

Tonya Kubo (24:17) 

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (24:43) 

is the youtopia spice organizers, the lazy Susan, and the stair stepping shelves. And that fits all of my needs. And if I can’t fit it in one of those things, I probably don’t need it. It would be a very rare thing that I would need something outside of. 

  

Tonya Kubo (24:50) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. And I think that’s just a great thing to remember. It’s like, if this doesn’t work, like, first of all, how likely is it that the solution wouldn’t work? And if it didn’t work, what would be the circumstance that would make that the case? And then how do you work around it? my goodness, Kathi. Okay. So I feel like it is important to remind our listeners of all the resources that are available. We have mentioned a lot of things in this episode. Please do not walk, but run over to the show notes. 

  

Kathi Lipp (25:17) 

Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (25:32) 

Click the link that’s in your player and you want to definitely pay attention to all the resources that we have for you there. So we will give you a link to the Clutterfree Academy Facebook group just in case you want to talk this through, share some before and after pictures, see other people’s before and after pictures. We will have a link to a downloadable PDF resource for you and a quick spice checklist. This whole series includes 

  

resources that you can download and print out or use on your device, whatever makes you happy. And Kathi mentioned this, but she kind of snuck it under, so I want to reinforce it. You can catch her cooking live on Facebook. That is her author, Kathi Lipp page, every Wednesday. If you just go to the page, it’ll tell you what time the next one is. And you can see her kitchen live and in real time. 

  

Kathi Lipp (26:22) 

Yeah, and here, let me just give one more little piece of encouragement here. When you are looking at ordering these things, look on Amazon and oftentimes there will be a note that this item is often returned. Now, it always blew me away that the reviews are like a 4.7, but the item is often returned. 

  

Tonya Kubo (26:41) 

Mmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (26:49) 

and 

  

that’s because people ordered it and it didn’t fit in their kitchen. we, know, us cluttery girls, we love to take a flyer and just, you know, we want to order when the mood hits us and we can’t find the tape measure, so we’re not gonna worry about it. Take the extra five seconds to go find that tape, or five minutes, let’s be honest. Go find that tape measure, measure the space, so. 

  

Tonya Kubo (26:53) 

Yep. 

  

Kathi Lipp (27:15) 

because I want you to have wins. Tonya and I want you to have wins in every part of this. And I’m also gonna say one other thing. Tonya, you and I both do an extreme amount of cooking. Most of the food we eat, we cook. You and I both buy spices from Costco. Don’t buy spices from Costco if you’re not cooking on the regular. I will say, I guess there is another portion to my spice. 

  

Tonya Kubo (27:26) 

Mm-hmm. Yep. 

  

Kathi Lipp (27:43) 

You know what I’m holding on to to those really big jars I keep those in my garage and when I’m refilling my spice containers one thing I’ve discovered I don’t know if this holds true for you. I’m never shaking spices into a soup or a casserole I’m always measuring them. So I take those stupid little shaker tabs off Because I don’t use them but when I refill I refill with a piece of paper that I’ve fashioned into a cone because 

  

Tonya Kubo (27:58) 

Mm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (28:11) 

If I’m refilling spices, I’m refilling a lot at the same time. And I don’t want my basil to get into my cumin, or let’s be honest, more likely the other way around. And so I’m just using that paper to do it over and over and over again. So those are my last little hits. 

  

Tonya Kubo (28:19) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

I love it. I 

  

have a little itty bitty baby funnel. It is the tiniest cutest funnel you’ll ever see. Can’t tell you where I bought it, but it works really well. All right. Well, Kathi, thank you so much for sharing these tips with us, helping us to spice up our kitchens. And listeners, I just want to say thank you for hanging out with us. We appreciate the fact that you lend us your ears. You have been listening to Clutterfree Academy. Now go create the clutter free life you’ve always wanted to live. 

  

Kathi Lipp (28:30) 

do you? Yes. I love that. 

  

I love it. 

  

Woohoo!