#684 – Decluttering for Real Life: Simple Steps for Busy, Overwhelmed Women

#684 – Decluttering for Real Life: Simple Steps for Busy, Overwhelmed Women

#684 – Decluttering for Real Life: Simple Steps for Busy, Overwhelmed Women

Is your clutter making a comeback…again? You tidy up, you declutter, but somehow, all those piles and projects sneak right back into your life. If you’ve ever felt defeated when the mess keeps resurfacing, this episode will speak right to your heart.  
 
Join Kathi and her guest, Tenneil Register, as they unpack the real reasons why lasting organization seems so hard—and how you can break the cycle for good. They talk through absolutely doable steps for busy, overwhelmed women, get real about guilt and grace, and reveal how faith can shift your mindset about home and stuff. 
 
Whether you’re trying the “one-drawer challenge” or just wishing someone else would do the laundry, you’ll find encouragement (with a little laughter!) and practical hope for creating peace in your home that truly lasts.  

Sabbath Soup: Weekly Menus and Rhythms to Make Space for a Day of Rest

Kathi Lipp gives readers an easy-to-follow process for meal planning and prep, so that they can enjoy a full day each week of real rest and refreshment.

Could you use a break from cooking (and everything else) once a week? Not only is rest vital for your mind and body, it’s good for your soul too. God designed us to enter into Sabbath rest one day per week, but as you know, meals still need to be made. Your family still needs to be fed.

Sabbath Soup includes convenient, seasonal meal plans that take the guesswork out of shopping and cooking. More than just a collection of delicious recipes—including main dishes, breads, breakfasts, desserts, salads, sides, and yes, soups—this is your guide to establishing a weekly rhythm and routine of meal planning and prep that allows you to have a true day off.

Do something good for your soul and experience the peace that comes with a full day dedicated to spending time with God, family, and friends. Savor your Sabbath as you proudly proclaim, “Soup’s on!”

Order your copy of Sabbath Soup: Weekly Menus and Rhythms to Make Space for a Day of Rest here.

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Meet Our Guest

 

Tenneil Register

Tenneil Register can be found creating, repurposing, decorating, gardening and welcoming guests to their reclaimed barn storefront. She and her husband, Cowboy, established rural roots for their blended family of 7 in their DIY ranch home in Iowa. Connect with her on Instagram for practical ideas to reclaim your home.

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Transcript

Kathi Lipp (00:12) 

Hey friends, welcome to Clutter Free Academy where our goal is to help you take small doable steps every day to live with less clutter and more life. And I’ve got one of my favorite humans in the world, Tenille Register, here with me today. Hey Tenille, how you doing? 

  

Tenneil Register (00:28) 

Hey Kathi, I’m doing great today. I actually just decluttered yesterday, so I can’t wait to talk today about this. 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:36) 

Yay, what did you declutter? What was your area? 

  

Tenneil Register (00:41) 

closets of non-bedrooms. like closet in the office, closet in the work out room. 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:47) 

Okay, can I just tell you I think those are the worst. I think they’re the worst We have a closet in our bedroom. That’s not our bedroom closet I don’t know how to describe that but we have like Roger has a closet. I have a closet and then we have this like utility closet and It is the worst spot in my house for sure So did you find any treasures? What like what was the big reveal from yesterday? 

  

Tenneil Register (01:04) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

that our house is now like 100 pounds lighter of the weight on the studs holding it up because of the paper trash that was removed. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:19) 

? Yes. 

  

My goodness, it’s so true, right? It’s so true. Okay, so I want to dive into our episode today and I have you on for a specific reason Tenneil, If you guys don’t know Tenneil Register, so she’s a writer. She’s a speaker but she also owns retail businesses and I’ve worked retail I would say the first half of my life at least half of it was spent working retail 

  

And displays and storage are such a big deal. My background in training was, ? I worked for Nordstrom for years and years. I worked in their gift area. so displays were a big deal, but you own ? some retail businesses you have to think through how to make things practical and beautiful. 

  

And I can think of no greater challenge than when it comes to our jewelry. ? I have, are you a big jewelry person? I would say I am and I’m not, like I’m not an expensive jewelry person. The only really expensive thing I have is my wedding ring, but how about you? 

  

Tenneil Register (02:41) 

Yes, so in my early days, I liked expensive jewelry, but now I’m lucky to put my wedding ring on. You know, I have expensive jewelry, but I don’t really wear it very often. I do wear earrings pretty faithfully, because I believe it’s like, it accentuates your jawline. But other than that, like, it depends on the outfit. And so I would say I own 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:49) 

Yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (03:10) 

quite a bit of jewelry, but I wear it in phases. That’s probably the best way to describe it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:18) 

Yeah, and it’s so interesting. I feel like jewelry is such a touchy thing when it comes to emotional clutter. ? You know, ? I think when I was younger, I thought expensive jewelry was kind of proving, hey, if you love me, you’re giving me expensive jewelry. I don’t know. Maybe that’s just a younger thing. I know also there are people who love their expensive jewelry. ? 

  

I got very convicted. I heard a sermon one time on Matthew 621 about where is your treasure? You know for where your treasure is there your heart will be also and this woman was talking about is my treasure in my jewelry box and I I I’m making it sound more convicting than it should be because I think it’s okay to love beautiful things, but I really did hold like if you love me, you’ll buy me expensive things on 

  

I don’t know. I was very convicted by that verse in a good way that has really freed me. I see you nodding. 

  

Tenneil Register (04:23) 

Yeah, well, I’m nodding because I think in the 90s, we were definitely intentionally sold that marketing message from jewelers. And I can remember thinking that I was the more gold I had on my hand, not just the more loved I was, but the more stable that I was, accomplished, steady, things are secure. And I think we… 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:31) 

Yeah. Yeah. 

  

Mmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (04:50) 

I think we tend to think that when people have really nice things that something about their life feels like safer and more desirable than if not. So yeah, that’s kind of what made me inside. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:55) 

Yes. 

  

Yeah, absolutely. 

  

I think you’re absolutely right. think, you know, I was born in the 60s. You were born much later than that. But we were told if you’re loved, the ring will be big. The jewelry will be chunky. Yeah, absolutely. And I think also, you know, there are stories we tell ourselves about jewelry. Some of our jewelry is very significant. You know, you’re going to you’re going to pry my wedding ring off of my cold dead hand. 

  

Like this it means a lot to me, but there’s also sometimes false sentiment versus true significance ? I think we can honor memories or be held hostage by them ? Sometimes we’re given things like there there was a lot of jewelry in my jewelry box Probably about 15 years ago that I had worn once or twice like some some gold bracelets that I had 

  

? from a first marriage, ? things like that. And I just wonder sometimes if my, some of our jewelry boxes are full of memories or are they misplaced obligations? I just felt like because I had been given that, even though it didn’t serve me, ? I had to keep it because it was worth something. It had memories attached to it. Like I had some jewelry that was passed down from my grandmother. Now some of it I wore a lot. 

  

But some of it, it was like, okay, I’m never gonna wear it. This has nothing to do, you know, I never, it wasn’t a fond memory for me. It was just passed down. So I felt like I needed to keep it. Do you have any guilt jewelry? I guess that’s my question. 

  

Tenneil Register (06:49) 

think I do. actually keep it. This is like confession. I hope my family’s not listening. So the things that I had that I would not wear and it’s family oriented, I actually have it in our bank safe box, like at the bank. And then it’s not like in my jewelry box. But it’s there to remain part of the family estate, so to speak. And it’s not even, this stuff is not highly valuable. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:06) 

? got it. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (07:19) 

That’s just a place out of my daily life that it can be kept safe for generations to come. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:19) 

Right! 

  

Yeah, because things do come around and jewelry is relatively small. So it’s easier to I don’t want to say hoard, but you know, for some of us, it’s hoard. And so yeah, it’s very it’s so much easier to do that. I wanted to tell I wanted to tell a story on here. You know, I had my wedding ring from my first marriage. And, you know, it wasn’t super valuable, but they definitely had some value to it. But 

  

It’s not something I wanted anymore. And I had some ? gold bracelets and things like that from that. And I was trying to think of what I could do with them. And there was a cause that was really important to me and Roger after we got married about building wells in Africa. And I said, what would you think about me selling my first wedding ring? Because you don’t really sell the wedding ring, you’re selling the gold. 

  

and the diamond attached to it if there’s a diamond on there. And so I talked about it with Roger. I talked about it with my kids. I’m like, if there’s any reason you want me to hang on to this, and my daughter said I would hawk it. And I’m like, okay, then I’m not saving it to pass down to you. And so what we did, yes. Yeah. Nope, they could not care less. 

  

Tenneil Register (08:23) 

Great. 

  

was dying to know whether the kids wanted that. I was dying to ask you that. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:49) 

So what I did actually was I sold it and we used the money to build wells in Africa and it’s actually part of one of Susie Flory’s books I’ve never written about it, but she wrote about it in one of her books about ? I’m trying to remember the historical figure that sold a bunch of stuff to For service and that’s what we did and can I tell you I’ve never felt a day of guilt over that like that was exact 

  

it and so it’s this I Thought I might feel guilty about it. But what it really was is like no, that’s actually something You know, I’m not a huge fan of my ex-husband I have much more positive feelings towards him now than I did when we got divorced but He doesn’t even know that I did that but I still think about that’s something positive that came out of our Relationship does that make sense or am I weird? 

  

Tenneil Register (09:46) 

Wow, 

  

such a beautiful way of reclaiming something out of a difficult situation and making something beautiful. I absolutely love 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:50) 

Mmm. 

  

I do feel like there’s some redemption there. I really, really do. I, you know, I, and I didn’t want to feel judged by it about from my kids or from anybody else, but I think that there’s a stewardship aspect of this, that we can use those things. 

  

Tenneil Register (10:17) 

Yeah, so one way that I’m stewarding jewelry, think a little different, hopefully than like generations before me, like, like expensive jewelry that my husband bought me early in our marriage and I loved it and I wore it all the time. And now maybe I don’t wear it, I don’t love it as much. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:25) 

Yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (10:37) 

If I wait until I pass away for my daughters to inherit that jewelry, they will probably also be at an age where they’re not wearing that sort of thing. And so I’ve started working through like jewelry that I own currently and gifting it to them like right now while they’re in their 20s and they love jewelry. And yet maybe I lose it on vacation because they’re still at that phase of life. But if it brought 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:48) 

you 

  

Yes. 

  

Tenneil Register (11:07) 

if it brings them joy, whether it’s for 13 months or the next 33 years, like that would be a better place for it than in the bottom of my drawer for them to find later. Plus, unless I’m gonna go through and label, like this one was from my first husband, blah, blah, blah. And this one was from my current husband, your dad. You know, like what is the… 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:20) 

That’s so true. 

  

Yeah! 

  

Tenneil Register (11:35) 

Who wants to leave an inventory of their jewelry? And so I would rather like give it to them while I’m alive and say like when I was your age, I loved wearing this. It’s valuable. Your dad bought it for me. Here it is. So that’s that’s one of 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:39) 

Right. 

  

love that so 

  

much. Yes. And, and yeah, jewelry is meant to be worn. It gets more beautiful, the longer it’s against skin. I mean, I love that. And so both Tenneil and I have admitted, hey, we’re, we’re not like expensive jewelry people. I’m more like, it feels weird to say costume jewelry, but let’s just say I’m in the 

  

$45 and below category for most of my jewelry, right? And so I want to talk about how do you actually organize that? because I’ve got I’m not gonna lie. I’ve got a lot of it and I want to be able to use it I want to be able to find it too. That’s another thing So I want to tell you some solutions that I have Tenneil has some solutions. So we’re gonna talk about 

  

Yeah, because we’re cheapy girls. That’s it. We’re fun. ? No, we’re gonna call it fun fashion jewelry. That’s what we’re gonna call it We’re not gonna call it costume. We’re gonna call it fun fashion I feel like putting things in order in my house gives me so much joy 

  

? To be able to find things to categorize things that kind of thing, but I will tell you until ? December of this year my jewelry was chaos I kept trying to find solutions for it so but I want my home to be a place of beauty order and peace and So I want to hear from you Tenneil, What are some? Freed because you’re a display girly and You’re good at this stuff. What are some things that you have done to really? 

  

? Just I don’t know if it’s do you display your jewelry do you hide your jewelry? What do you do? 

  

Tenneil Register (13:35) 

So I have a combo. I’m gonna be really plain, my three jewelry habits. One of them is I tend to take off my jewelry as I unwind for the day, right? So I have three significant places then that these little small piles of things like my wedding ring and earrings end up in. And so I’ve learned that that’s my habit and I have put a cute little dish in those places. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:38) 

Okay. Yes. Yes. 

  

Yes, me too! 

  

Tenneil Register (14:05) 

so that they are corralled. I could scold myself to walk to my real jewelry box that hides a lot of jewelry, but I’m not going to. So I just have this pathway and then I pick them up from that path the next day. All right, so that’s one way. I do have a flown jewelry box with the doors that open on the side with necklaces and earrings and stuff like that. That’s kind of my catchall. And then 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:05) 

Yes! 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (14:34) 

I have, well I guess I have four piles. I have the mess that accumulates on top of said jewelry box, because I’m too lazy to open the drawer and put it away. And then I do have some displayed jewelry. I actually have some busts that you would see in a store. And I have those on top of a dresser for my necklaces that I wear most often. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:51) 

Hmm? ? yeah! 

  

Tenneil Register (15:00) 

And then also like one that I don’t wear, a necklace that I don’t wear often, but I love it and I want to see it. So I have that on the bust on top of the dresser. That’s my personal style. My sister, she’s amazing. She has like a screen window that’s vintage and cute and her little earrings hang on that. And then she has a window frame with all these little hooks on it. And then all of her necklaces are on that. And I always want to be that because I think she must get so much joy. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:16) 

Right? 

  

Tenneil Register (15:28) 

when she walks up to the wall of her jewelry that also looks like beautiful wall decor and she can pull off her pieces and wear them. But that is not my personal habit. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:39) 

Yes. Okay. I love it. I love it so much. And ? yes, the screen is something I’ve seen before. I was going to build it until another solution came into my life, which I will talk about. I think some other things to think about guys are things like velvet trays, because everybody’s house is different, right? You may have more drawer space. So a velvet tray could be really, really helpful for you. And especially if you’re like a ring person. 

  

Like ? a or a bracelet person having those velvet trays could be really really helpful one of my friends had a cake stand and she put all of her different bracelets on it and it was so cute and then for a long time I used a pegboard where I would just hang my necklaces and things like that if If you’re a curator of things like teacups that could be really cute for you as well. What were you gonna say Tenneil? 

  

Tenneil Register (16:35) 

I actually have a cake stand in my bathroom. It’s a really pretty marble stand. And so there’s like a small plant and a little, you know, motivational saying. And that cake stand is where I can take off my daily jewelry and put it up there. And then it’s not on the counter where it can fall into the sink. It’s up on the cake stand. 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:38) 

? cute. ? huh. 

  

you 

  

Yes, okay. And here’s my thing. I like the people who just take their stuff off and go put it away. I will never understand those people. That is not me. And you 

  

Tenneil Register (17:03) 

This episode is not for 

  

you. We love you. We admire you. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:07) 

Yes, we admire you. You are listening to the wrong podcast friend, but ? here’s what I do I I have a silver antique dish that I love but I never really knew what to do it Every day I go take it off there and it just piles up until the end of the week And then I put everything away at the same time, but it’s still I think it’s it’s a beautiful It’s a beautiful way to do it and it’s a grace based system Which I love I it just says 

  

Tenneil Register (17:11) 

haha 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:36) 

Hey, you know, we’re not looking for perfection. We’re not saying, hey, we’re gonna go put this away every day. And I will say, I do have a dish on my desk because sometimes I’m at the end of my day where I have to look cute, but I’m still working. So I take my earrings off, I take my necklace off, I put it on that little dish and it works for me. And that works for me. Another thing that you might think about is a jeweler tree. ? So it has like, 

  

holes that can stick out that you know, you can hang things off of and that’s what I did for a long time ? but I Think one thing to think about is to group jewelry with a purpose I have once I well I’ve got three sets of jewelry where the earrings they didn’t I didn’t buy them as a set but they just go together and I hang them together so that it’s just easy it’s like a capsule and I so I also keep 

  

those where for travel, they work with a lot of different things. And I’ve got this one pair of earrings, they’re just thin gold hoops that work with everything. So I have a cup, I have one set of those that I leave in our trailer, because they’re going to go with absolutely everything. actually have, I have to replace this because it went through the wash. It makes me crazy. 

  

I’ve lost so many things by leaving things in my pocket, but this is a pair of earrings made out of ? Boots like wading boots in Alaska. They go with everything. I love them So I need to order a new pair of those but I left those in our RV for the longest time because they just go with everything so I think either grouping things that go together is a great way to do that or reducing 

  

If you’re just a simple gold or silver hoop person, go for it. Or maybe you’re like, I could wear the same turquoise necklace every day of my life. I love turquoise. Never buy me, yep, exactly. I love it. Never buy me diamonds, buy me turquoise. That’s what makes me so happy. Any last thoughts, Tenille? 

  

Tenneil Register (19:42) 

to my hearing everyday of my life. 

  

I also keep a travel pack of jewelry and I actually it’s separate than my everyday jewelry. Then I don’t have to sort it all out. So I have travel jewelry. some of them are duplicates of something I own and then I there’s no back and forth with that. And then, I mean, if you’re somebody who will put your stuff away, like we’ve sold and people really love them is like the full length mirrors that open up the mirror to the jewelry inside. ? 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:58) 

Mmm. 

  

? okay. 

  

Tenneil Register (20:23) 

And many of my customers have purchased those from me and they say it’s life-changing. I just haven’t been able to discipline myself in that way. But I can see how being close to the mirror would help. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:24) 

Yes. 

  

Okay. 

  

Yeah. So I’m going to go deep into the mirror because that is the thing that has earned a place in my clutter free home. And so I want to talk about, yeah. So I’m going to tell you the story of how this came into my life and how it has changed my life. Okay, guys, this is our segment. You know it, you love it. It is things that have. 

  

earned a place in my clutter free home and I want to tell you about my full length mirror jewelry organizer. Now, I am not the person who puts away my jewelry every day, but I have my little silver dish that goes right next to this. this is how I never seen one of these before. But my daughter, Amanda, my stepdaughter, Amanda, ? when people come to our house, they use our bath. 

  

We redid our bathroom a few years ago and guys, it’s my favorite room in the house. I love it so much. But she saw my jewelry collection and she’s like, Kathi, you are out of control. I’m like, I know, I know. But I just hadn’t really thought through how to really take care of that. And so for Christmas, all my kids got together, they each chipped in and they bought me the full length mirror. 

  

jewelry organizer and they bought me a couple of pieces of jewelry to put in this and you guys I love this so much first of all It’s a full-length mirror, which we already had but we had just a little one in our bedroom And this is full-length I love it And so you open it up you open up the mirror part and it has places for rings bracelets Necklaces and it has a whole rack for the earrings 

  

And can I tell you, so once a week, I take everything from that silver dish and I hang it back up, but it’s like going into your favorite curated store and picking out your earrings for the day. And it makes me so happy. I can’t even stand it. So you said a lot of your customers have bought that as well. 

  

Tenneil Register (22:34) 

Yes, yeah, we sold them in our shop and it’s a swivel one, you know, and so it works like in a lot of flexible places. yeah, that’s been really popular. So I think you’ve changed at least my life that the mess I put on top of my jewelry box, I’m gonna put a nice tray there. Because then I can pick them up and put the pieces off and it will feel like an official task instead of shape like the pile. 

  

Kathi Lipp (22:40) 

? 

  

Mm-hmm 

  

Yes. 

  

Yes, I love it. 

  

Tenneil Register (23:03) 

It’s just a matter of, 

  

Kathi Lipp (23:03) 

Yes, I. 

  

Tenneil Register (23:05) 

that’s a grace-based system, right? Instead of guilty myself of being messy, I have a system. I love it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (23:07) 

Right. 

  

Yes, and can I tell you I feel like this is what fancy ladies do I really do like your fancy lady mate You would take your necklace off. You would take your earrings off and then some maid would come do it now I’m the maid in this in this scenario, but it makes so much better Yeah, and guys i’ll put a link to the ? the cabinet that I have that I love ? and Yeah, my kids I love when they come together, you know wonder twin powers activate because 

  

Tenneil Register (23:23) 

And you’ll see the key. Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (23:41) 

This has been so great and it doesn’t take up much room, but it lays everything out. It makes me feel so happy. And Tenille, I also need to know where you got those earrings because I may need those in my life. Don’t tell me you got them like seven years ago. 

  

Tenneil Register (23:59) 

It’s been a bit, but I think I can find you the place. 

  

Kathi Lipp (24:04) 

Okay, very very cool. If you happen to find the place we will also put it in the in our show notes because Those are super super cool. I love them. I’m also going to show for people who are watching online My favorite pair of earrings my friend carol gave these to me. I they’re they’re my favorite fun and funky earrings But ? look at those little I mean aren’t those I? There can you see them? They’re they’re very 

  

Tenneil Register (24:30) 

That macrame, right? 

  

Kathi Lipp (24:33) 

Yes, they’re macrame. They’re like a yellow gold. I cannot tell you how many things these go with they make me super happy. So ? yeah, but yours are fabulous and ? mine mine are these are made out of ? how how bone the ones that i’m wearing today and ? I they just make me super happy. So guys if We ? yes, I will i’ll see if I can find a link 

  

Tenneil Register (24:55) 

And I need to know about these ones made from boots. The ones made from boots. the parents of the kid knows that. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (25:03) 

Yeah, they’re super cute. Sadly, they don’t do well a parent leather doesn’t do well in the washing machine. Who knew right who knew? Yeah But i’m gonna find those because yeah, they make me super happy and guys You make us super happy by you just being here. I hope this gave you an idea or two for your jewelry situation because having your stuff laid out 

  

Tenneil Register (25:10) 

Oops. ? 

  

Kathi Lipp (25:28) 

to get dressed every day, add, it’s the icing on the cake. And that’s what we want for you. We want every day to have a little icing on your cake. You have been listening to the Clutterfree Academy podcast. I’m Kathi Lipp. Now, go create the clutter free life you’ve always wanted to live. 

 

 

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Kathi Lipp gives readers an easy-to-follow process for meal planning and prep, so that they can enjoy a full day each week of real rest and refreshment.

Could you use a break from cooking (and everything else) once a week? Not only is rest vital for your mind and body, it’s good for your soul too. God designed us to enter into Sabbath rest one day per week, but as you know, meals still need to be made. Your family still needs to be fed.

Sabbath Soup includes convenient, seasonal meal plans that take the guesswork out of shopping and cooking. More than just a collection of delicious recipes—including main dishes, breads, breakfasts, desserts, salads, sides, and yes, soups—this is your guide to establishing a weekly rhythm and routine of meal planning and prep that allows you to have a true day off.

Do something good for your soul and experience the peace that comes with a full day dedicated to spending time with God, family, and friends. Savor your Sabbath as you proudly proclaim, “Soup’s on!”

Order your copy of Sabbath Soup: Weekly Menus and Rhythms to Make Space for a Day of Rest here.

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Tenneil Register

Tenneil Register can be found creating, repurposing, decorating, gardening and welcoming guests to their reclaimed barn storefront. She and her husband, Cowboy, established rural roots for their blended family of 7 in their DIY ranch home in Iowa. Connect with her on Instagram for practical ideas to reclaim your home.

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Transcript

Kathi Lipp (00:11) 

Hey friends, welcome to Clutter Free Academy where our goal is to help you take small doable steps every day to live with less clutter and more life. I’m back with one of my favorite human beings on the planet. It is Tenille Register. Hey, Tenille. 

  

Tenneil Register (00:25) 

Hey Kathi! 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:28) 

So here’s the thing I know about you I would not consider you one of the more naturally cluttery people in my life But I will say this I think you have just about more moving parts than anybody else That then I know I there are some people They you know, we talked about this with being overwhelmed. Some people have ? Demi toss cup size platters 

  

Tenneil Register (00:44) 

Yeah 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:54) 

And you have a turkey size platter about how much you do and how much you accomplish but all of that accomplishment leads to clutter and Here’s what I know about you. No, I don’t know this about you, but i’m going to posture this about you most people downsize because they have to But you have chosen to do it for peace. Does that make sense? 

  

Tenneil Register (01:20) 

It absolutely does because in these endeavors, we have access to a lot of square footage that we could continue to store and store. And because our businesses are things like Airbnb’s apartments, retail store, I could justify keeping almost anything because we will use it. So yeah, I would say I am very intentionally, actually it’s a July tradition for us. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:28) 

Thank you. 

  

Right. 

  

Tenneil Register (01:50) 

to get rid of things just for the sake of getting rid of them to make sure that we don’t kind of go over the threshold of how many things we can be responsible for. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:00) 

Okay, so tell me about this July tradition because explain to me why we pick the hottest month of the year. Like that’s my favorite excuse. I can’t declutter out, you know, in the barn or the garage because it’s just too hot. Yeah, so tell me more about this. I love this. 

  

Tenneil Register (02:22) 

Because many people like you are celebrating Lowe by July, so it’s our slow season. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:29) 

Nice! okay, that makes so much sense, yes! 

  

Tenneil Register (02:34) 

Truly it’s just our downtime. A lot of people are vacationing. There’s not a lot, ? July the yard work even kind of evens out. Like you have to mow but not pulling a ton of weeds. it’s just kind of a slow season. And so we just ? roll up our sleeves and do it. And we have done everything from like literally bringing in a roll off dumpster to our driveway so that there’s no ? like decision making involved. It just went in the dumpster. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:43) 

Yes, for us too. 

  

Yes. 

  

Tenneil Register (03:03) 

? And you guys, that’s not irresponsible. We are repurposers. So if we are not repurposing it, it is not repurposable and that’s why the dumpster. ? Or just like making frequent trips for ice cream and dropping off at the Goodwill. This year has not been a dumpster year, but I would say every three to four years we have a dumpster worthy purge. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:10) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Right. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Yes, and you know what? I think that that is one thing that as cluttery people You know, we’ve been told You know reuse re, you know reduce recycle and here’s what I know A lot of cluttery people tend to keep stuff because they don’t know what to do with it. They’re like, okay if I throw this away i’m a bad person and 

  

Tenneil Register (03:48) 

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:54) 

I think that there is no value, there is no virtue in keeping it in your house or in your space as opposed to the dump. ? I think the virtue comes when, if it can’t be donated, if it can’t be reused in some way, don’t bring it into your house again, but it’s okay to get rid of it. Does that make sense? Am I saying that correctly? 

  

Tenille knows I’m recovering from COVID, so she’s gonna explain things that are jumbly out of my mouth, but she can make it make sense. 

  

Tenneil Register (04:20) 

It was. 

  

just have a good example from my office closet clean out. I had these stacks that I bought on clearance of like little stickers that you mark your planner with or different little notepads and that kind of thing. And I bought them when I was coaching teachers because teachers like those kinds of things. And so I had this stack of them. I will… 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:30) 

Please. 

  

Mmm. Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (04:51) 

I was about to like say, you know, I could take that out to California when I meet with the authors and give them a goodie bag. And then I thought to myself, me, why would you fly this stuff all the way across the country? That’s silly. And so I put it in the goodwill bag. But by the time I finished cleaning out the closet, the truth was the monetary value of what was in that goodwill bag is not worth what they’re going to pay somebody to sort through the bag. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:59) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Tenneil Register (05:20) 

And so I put it in my car intending to go to the Goodwill, but when I went to the trash can, I just put it in there. It’s a small sack. The energy used in gas, thought, then them sorting it. There wasn’t enough in there to be worth monetarily doing that. And for me, I think you said it right. I keep it out of guilt. So giving myself permission to almost like rebel against the system and just throw it away strengthens my decluttering skills. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:21) 

Hmm. 

  

Yes. ? 

  

Right. 

  

Yes, and it’s the resolve to you know, I threw this way do not bring it back into the house Do not bring similar things back into the house 

  

Tenneil Register (05:59) 

Right, because I threw it away, I’m not going to pick those up on clearance the next 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:03) 

Exactly, exactly. Yeah, here’s the thing. Why do we think we have to keep something just because we have the room? Like, why do we why are we afraid of that space? Do you think? 

  

Tenneil Register (06:17) 

I don’t know, when we bought our home to fight against that, I tried to keep an empty drawer in each room. As a way of saying, like, I don’t want to give into this ideal that because we have the space, we should fill it, or because we have the space, we should keep the items. And so I almost think… 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:25) 

Mmm, really? 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (06:41) 

I think we probably have an idea that we’re not being a good steward of things or that we don’t have our adult self together if we have gaps, right? But the same way we’re learning gaps in our schedule allows us to love people, I’m learning that an empty drawer allows me to love someone too because I can tell the guests that drawer is empty, feel free to use it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:46) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm hmm. Yeah. 

  

Yeah, I do have empty drawers in all of our guest rooms, but there are other spaces that are filled to the brim. so may I, you know, I am still deconstructing my cluttery ways and I want to live a life of peace. And when everything is filled, like if I bring something new into the house and I have to get rid of something in order to make room for it. 

  

Tenneil Register (07:08) 

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:31) 

That’s not a peaceful circumstance because that new thing has to sit out until I find the new place for it. And so as ? I am more of a maximalist than a minimalist, but I need to become less afraid of empty spaces. And that’s something I’m working on. Okay, friends, we’re going to take a little break and we’re going to come back and I want to talk about what happens when you choose space over stuff. What does that do to your brain? 

  

What does that do to your heart and how can we actually do that? So we’re going to take a quick break and come right back. Okay, guys, we are back. I am here with Tenille Register, who is just, I think she’s probably mentally ill because she says she keeps an empty drawer in all of her rooms to remind herself. I don’t even know what that would feel like and I need to figure that out. So what happens? 

  

What’s the feeling for you when you are choosing space? How does that feel for you? 

  

Tenneil Register (08:35) 

I feel like I’m leaving room for something else good to come into my life. I know that sounds kind of like spiritually strange, but I just feel a little woo woo. But if I’m overflowing with things, then literally if I bring a new thing home or if somebody gives me a gift, then I have this huge project of figuring out where to put it. Where if I have some space, 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:41) 

Mmm. ? 

  

Woo woo, but I love woo woo, go for it. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (09:03) 

And I am not the master of this, it’s a work in progress. Like I said, the closets that I cleaned out yesterday, I actually called my husband and when I cleaned out these closets, I got rid of a filing cabinet and a dresser that were in these two closets. And I said, okay, but what are we gonna put in them? And then as we talked about it, what if it was just an empty closet with floor space? 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:30) 

I don’t even know how to think about that, be honest. 

  

Tenneil Register (09:36) 

Right, because I felt like I needed to add like a bookshelf for some bins of storage or a bench that we could put something under. Like naturally my brain tried to do that. And so I’m in this place where I’m like, what if there was just an empty closet so that if I got an Amazon box at the same time company was coming, I had an empty closet to go set the Amazon box in until I had time to open it. Like, I don’t know, I haven’t mastered it, but this is my what if that I’m in right now. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:42) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Right. 

  

Okay, I have to tell you, I have done this in our front closet ? because that’s the place where, know, normally when you get an Amazon box or something like that, you would put it, but it’s always been packed to the gills. So instead, what I did was I bought ? some storage things for that, which I’ll talk about in our things that have earned a place in my clutter free home. And 

  

? Now, if something comes into our house, that can be its temporary holding place. And it feels so good to say it doesn’t just have to get piled on top of something. And that makes it, yeah, it’s, you know, we don’t need more bins necessarily, we need breathing room. And sometimes the bins can help us with the breathing room. But sometimes it’s just organizing our clutter. And we need less of that. 

  

Tenneil Register (11:06) 

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:07) 

Yeah. 

  

So, where do you start? 

  

With this idea it because it feeling very radical and I’m sorry. My dog is now climbing on my desk right now Little distracting we’re gonna get her off. Yes. She she she does this with you and with Tonya she really likes She knows you guys. Yes. So yes, she she likes to come up and just check out if that’s her friend Okay, please continue 

  

Tenneil Register (11:21) 

? 

  

She knows. 

  

Yeah, so I mean, I think the one thing is just choosing the space that you’re going to have empty, right? Like, is it going to be the tiniest little drawer? Is it just going to be eight inches on the shelf, you know, in the pantry? Like, where is the empty place going to be? And then it’s almost like playing a game with yourself. How long can I leave this empty? 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:48) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (12:05) 

before you even know how you’re gonna use the empty space. I know this sounds like radically strange, ? but for example, like in our bathroom, the bottom drawer is what I decided to leave empty. So what that meant was like, actually we don’t need as many bath towels as we have, downsizing the number of bath towels that we have. No, the water pick, no one has pulled that out in three years to use the water pick. We might’ve paid a lot of 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:18) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yes. 

  

Right. 

  

Tenneil Register (12:34) 

it and been excited about it, but we’re going to get rid of that. And then we’re going to have this empty kind of holding space. So I think, I think it’s almost just like trying to set a rule for yourself and like looking at it as a challenge. And of course, there has to be room for grace and flexibility. If I find them overflowing, I may have to put some stuff in that drawer. The key is to come back to it and review it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:58) 

Exactly. 

  

Right and to you know, all that back stock we have like in my bathroom i’m like Why am I keeping so many candles in my bathroom? Like that just doesn’t make sense It’s time to get rid of some of those so there can be that space because if I can’t put something down because that space is so crowded Then there there need to be some hard decisions and my tips would be start with the least emotional space I think when we go and we say we want to create space 

  

The first thing we think about are grandma’s photo albums because it’s like there’s an emotional anchor to that. Don’t start there. Start with the bathroom towels. Like, do I really need eight towels in my bathroom? Or can two hanging in the bathroom and two back up be enough? What is enough for that? And then celebrate one win. Take a picture. If you’re in our free group. 

  

Clutter-free Academy or our paid group clutter free for life take a picture because the rest of us get this right there may be people who don’t get how important this is but we all get it and creating this visual space like one of the things I’m really convicted about is not convicted but the place where I need to do this is there I I Have a couch table behind my couch in the living room 

  

that kind of stays the same all year. And wouldn’t it be fun to put, ? Roger just gave me the most beautiful picture for Mother’s Day. It’s like hand painted, it has a rabbit on it. I love it so much. Why am I putting that in the kind of chaos of my kitchen instead of pulling that into the living room and putting some branches in it or something like that? So I’m gonna go do that today. I’m gonna clear off that place. 

  

I think we just get comfortable with something that we’ve liked and it’s hard for us to imagine. It takes energy for us to imagine something else. But this is your challenge. So, you know, what would you downsize right now? Is it a drawer? Is it a closet? Is it a table? For me, it’s going to be a table. Anything come to mind for you Tenneil? 

  

Tenneil Register (15:18) 

? Yes, it’s going to be ? continuing here in the office, like how I store my office supplies, right? Like I have a cubby that I like, I have a tray that I don’t like, like downsize how I keep my office supplies. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:26) 

you 

  

Mmm. Yeah and think about this guys and Tenneil is the expert at this Do you have like I have a cake stand that I don’t need I’ve got three cake stands Do I need three cake stands? But could I use that in other parts of my house? Once I clear away the clutter give me some other ideas Tenneil because you’re so good at this stuff 

  

Tenneil Register (15:55) 

First of all, the cake stand has to be somewhere with the candle on it because it’s a beautiful way to keep your candle. 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:01) 

? 

  

yeah, I love that. Okay, I can do that. 

  

Tenneil Register (16:04) 

? 

  

Yeah, yeah. So ? I love crocks like bowl crocks. So like, I try to use them to store things, but then they end up with too much in them. And so ? using them for objects that make sense, like a crock bowl is perfect for paper plates, right? Or you regularly grab and go like that. And so what 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:12) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

? yeah! 

  

So smart. 

  

Tenneil Register (16:33) 

When I start to get bored with my house, it’s actually kind of looking like the size and shape of the objects. Like when I was little and I actually still get satisfaction out of it. You know the shape sorters, like the plastic little type toys shape sorter. If you can start to see your house like a shape sorter, which container is the right shape of item, that’s when you really take off your creativity ? in using. 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:53) 

Okay. Okay. 

  

Okay. 

  

Tenneil Register (17:02) 

things like cake stands, crock bowls, baskets in an effective way. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:08) 

Okay, give me a couple more ideas of shape sorter ideas, because I love this thought. 

  

Tenneil Register (17:14) 

So toolboxes, I love old toolboxes, like especially the little metal caddy kind. And then I put our tabletop games, right? Like our card games, Skip Bo, Uno, that kind of thing, because then it’s got a handle so you can carry it around. So I love that thing. ? And then let’s see. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:18) 

Yeah. 

  

Right? 

  

Yeah. 

  

Okay. 

  

Tenneil Register (17:38) 

I’m gonna go with like, some people would use big baskets. use like, they’re cement troughs. This is gonna sound so strange, but they’re basically like a big metal tub where somebody would mix cement in them in days gone by. And so the result is this big tub that’s the perfect size for like pillows and blankets. You can also do it with a big wooden dowel basket. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:02) 

That’s amazing. 

  

my goodness. ? I love that. And you know, just yesterday I saw somebody who had a magazine rack from probably the nineties or two thousands and they stored ? rolled up pillows or blankets in it and it was so cute. ? I love that. 

  

Tenneil Register (18:23) 

Yeah! 

  

Yeah, and those are also great, 

  

like those magazine racks are also good toilet paper holders if you need to store your toilet paper in plain sight or paper towels, that kind of 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:37) 

That’s so clever. I love that so much Okay, guys, we’re gonna take a quick break and when I come back We’re gonna talk about some clutter free things some things that have earned a place in my clutter free home. So stick around Okay friends, we are back with things that have earned a place in my clutter free home I don’t even know my own title. So I was telling you earlier in this episode 

  

about a couple of things that I’ve put in my front closet. So one thing is we said, you don’t need more containers to contain your clutter, but we have a lot of things that are in our front hall, that our front hall closet that we need access to things like we have ? stuff for our dog there, stuff for like our keys, Roger’s wallet, those kinds of things. And so we’ve bought two things that have been really helpful. 

  

One are these little, they’re like sorter baskets. They’re probably, for the people who are listening, they’re probably like eight inches by six inches for the big ones. And then there are smaller sizes. And we put things in there like we have a sunscreen basket. We have a bug spray basket. We have a mooses leash and treats basket. And then we have these 

  

Hanging organizers so they hang off of a rod in that closet and they’re just these open baskets that we can put blankets in there or we can put ? All everything that Roger takes to the car. So we have a Roger basket in there. That is his hat He uses a baseball hat his his wallet ? His he uses sunscreen before he gets in the car. So that has made it so we don’t have to keep all that stuff 

  

out all the time and it makes such a big difference. ? Tenneil I know that ? you love to have ways to hide things and so I’m going to send you a link and I’ll put a link in the show notes for you to see these because I think these would be great ways to think about, like you said, what would work in this space like the shape sorter that you were talking about. 

  

Tenneil Register (20:53) 

Yes, and I’m changing my mind. I’m not going to organize my office supplies. You’ve just inspired me to use our front hall closet. The front hall closet, we don’t use it for anything useful. So I’m going to look at these favorite things of yours and come up with a way to make that space useful. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:58) 

Do tell. ? 

  

Love it and friends. We love you. Thank you so much for being a part of the podcast You’ve been listening to clutter free Academy. I’m Kathy Lipp now go create the clutter free life. You’ve always wanted to live 

 

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Is your closet causing you stress instead of bringing you joy? In this episode of Clutter Free Academy, Kathi Lipp and Tonya Kubo share their proven system for creating a closet you’ll actually love opening every day. 

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  • How to set a clear vision for your ideal closet (and why this matters more than you think)Simple organizational solutions that make any closet feel 40% more organized 
  • Storage solutions that work for small spaces and tight budgets 

Perfect for listeners who: 

  • Feel overwhelmed every time they open their closet door 
  • Struggle with decision fatigue when getting dressed 
  • Want practical systems that actually work long-term 
  • Are tired of failed decluttering attempts 

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Kathi Lipp gives readers an easy-to-follow process for meal planning and prep, so that they can enjoy a full day each week of real rest and refreshment.

Could you use a break from cooking (and everything else) once a week? Not only is rest vital for your mind and body, it’s good for your soul too. God designed us to enter into Sabbath rest one day per week, but as you know, meals still need to be made. Your family still needs to be fed.

Sabbath Soup includes convenient, seasonal meal plans that take the guesswork out of shopping and cooking. More than just a collection of delicious recipes—including main dishes, breads, breakfasts, desserts, salads, sides, and yes, soups—this is your guide to establishing a weekly rhythm and routine of meal planning and prep that allows you to have a true day off.

Do something good for your soul and experience the peace that comes with a full day dedicated to spending time with God, family, and friends. Savor your Sabbath as you proudly proclaim, “Soup’s on!”

Order your copy of Sabbath Soup: Weekly Menus and Rhythms to Make Space for a Day of Rest here.

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Tonya Kubo

Tonya Kubo is the illustrious and fearless leader of Kathi Lipp’s Clutter Free Academy Facebook group and the Clutter Free for Life membership program. A professional community strategist, she believes everyone deserves to have a place online where they feel like they belong. Raised by a hoarder, Tonya knows firsthand the pain and isolation that comes from living in conditions others don’t understand. She wants better for her family and her cluttery peeps, which is why she is passionate about the compassionate slow-and-steady approach that makes Clutter Free unique. She lives in the heart of California with her husband, Brian, their two spirited daughters, and one very tolerant cat. Visit tonyakubo.com to find out more about her community work, or email her at tonya@kathilipp.org to discuss the Clutter Free Academy podcast and programs.
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Transcript

Kathi Lipp (00:10) 

Hey friends, welcome to clutter free Academy where our goal is to help you take small doable steps to live every day with less clutter and more life and We are back with our series. We’re just taking it one space at a time Sometimes we just need a deep dive and that’s what we’re here to do how to declutter certain areas of your home And I am here with my fellow clutter girl 

  

? We have gone through our houses together and we live to tell the tale. It is Tonya Kubo. Hey, Tonya. 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:43) 

Hey Kathi 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:44) 

Okay, so I need to know how does your clothes closet make you feel? Do you approach it with love and joy? Is it overwhelming? Like what’s the deal for you? 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:57) 

I am pretty ambivalent about my clothes closet, but I don’t have a walk-in closet. ? so, you know, I just have like a stereotypical 1950s sort of row of clothes across and Brian gets about two thirds of it and I have a third of it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:14) 

That is not the normal breakdown for a couple. 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:18) 

No, but it’s a normal breakdown for us. When we lived in a bigger house, he had two closets and I had one closet, but my closet wasn’t full. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:21) 

Okay. 

  

? Brian Kubo, 

  

you live an extravagant life. I love it so much. Yeah, I also do not have a walk-in closet. This house was built more as a summer retreat than it was like. People are very impressed we live here year-round. When we moved here, it wasn’t supposed to be a year-round place. And then we decided to move here year-round and the people who ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:39) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:54) 

Sold us the house. There’s like, we’re very impressed. You’re living there year round and our neighbors were like we did not think you were going to make it the first two years. So i’m like, yeah, we didn’t either because the house kept trying to kill us but ? It was yes. Yes, but ? we have come to a peaceful living arrangement with the house We we’ve stopped trying to burn it down and it’s stopped trying to kill us. So it’s a beautiful thing 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:02) 

hahahaha 

  

I was going to say that was a rough two years. I was there for it. 

  

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:21) 

but the closets have not gotten any bigger. And I wanna talk about how do we get to be more in love with our closet? And today I wanna talk about making that a reality. So we’re gonna talk about how do you declutter, clean and organize your closet? Because that’s going to get us a fur piece to really loving it. So number one, I want us to think about 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:30) 

Hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:50) 

How do we set a vision for our closet which sounds very woo-woo, but do you want a decluttered closet? Do you want because you want less? Decision fatigue more space feeling good about your wardrobe ? I do but I also want I also don’t want to go there and say I have nothing to wear because I don’t like the clothes in the closet So I I don’t want to over declutter, but I also don’t want it under declutter and so ? 

  

I thought this was really interesting. I heard about somebody who talked about a visualization exercise. Imagine your ideal closet and how it makes you feel. So for me right now, we talked about this on a previous episode. One, I love, and I do mean love, some matching hangers Like that gets me 30 % of the way to feeling good about my closet. 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:42) 

you 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:46) 

So I’ve got you’ve got matching hangers tonya. I’ve got matching hangers ? what I wish my closet had right now that it doesn’t is a little bit more space before between the clothes ? right now it’s a little too packed for my I haven’t done a deep declutter on that In a while, so that’s something I want to do. The other thing is ? And my closet doesn’t cause me stress right now 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:58) 

Hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:13) 

but one improvement that I’d like to make in the next month or so is hanging all the pants together, hanging all the jeans together so I can really see what I have. Is there anything that you’ve done in your closet that makes you feel better about it? 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:21) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, so it’s funny, I don’t do this consistently, but I have, because I typically organize my closet, you I have a coat and then anything that’s long and then business attire. And then I kind of go to more casual toward the center of the closet. But ? one time I color coded everything like I had everything done by color. And I have to tell you, it was so much easier to find 

  

my favorite top, my favorite this, my favorite that, when I had it arranged that way. Now I will tell you week to week, I did not have the energy to be that thoughtful about how I put things away. But when I do, it’s special, Kathi It really is. Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:59) 

you 

  

It feels good, right? 

  

Yeah, you know, when I know I’m having a busy week and I really want to, you know, launch well, I’ll put together outfits for that week. And that’s a beautiful thing. I’m not going to lie that really, really, because you already know that shirt hits you at the right spot for those pants, etc, etc. It makes me it makes me very, happy. So 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:22) 

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:37) 

Yeah, that’s set what step one is like, how do I set my vision for this closet? ? Again, sounds a little woo woo, but it actually makes it makes a big difference. And step two, the purge. ? If you are able to maintain that one in one out rule, that’s really, really helpful. But also, ? maybe setting aside like 45 minutes and trying on questionable pieces. Now, Tonya, I’m going to admit. 

  

I’ve had something in my closet for three years now that I have never worn. ? And it’s something I spent a lot of money on and I tried it on in the store. ? It’s from the Sundance store, which they don’t have any near me. I bought this in Colorado. I cannot return it. And every time I go to try it on, feels a little, it’s a dress. It feels a little too short. And 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:10) 

Mmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:36) 

I but I can’t get rid of it and I think we all have something like that in our closet if you don’t you are a stronger human being than I am but There’s been a lot of other things that I’ve bought and it’s like I’ve worn it a couple times I’m like, you know what this just doesn’t feel like me So if you take 45 minutes and just try on some questionable pieces and say, okay Will I ever wear this is this something that I should keep in my closet? 

  

And if it doesn’t make you feel great, get it out of there. You probably already have enough that makes you feel good. And when I get rid of enough questionable pieces, I’m like, okay, if I get rid of 10 things, I’m gonna allow myself to buy one thing that’s gonna replace that. Because I have, and so it is time for me to do that. What is your purge system? 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:23) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, so for me, ? I don’t do a lot of shopping. So I’m not one of those reasonable people who buys like a couple of pieces every season. So typically what I’ll do is as I’m putting away my clothes, there’s this one shirt or something that gets in my way. And I realize, it’s because I haven’t worn it in a long time and now I’m starting to get really grumpy about having to move it to put my clothes in. And so that always tells me, okay, it’s time to go through the closet. 

  

And so I’ll get rid of everything. And then what I do is I inventory what I need to replace because I dislike shopping so much that I do not want to go and buy four shirts if I actually only need two, because there’s a lot more trying on if I have to go home with four versus two. and then I also will take a look through I’ll look at Brian’s clothes because Brian wears a lot of printed t-shirts. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:17) 

Right. 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:26) 

And if there shirts that like the designs are coming off, I know he won’t get rid of those shirts, but I’ll make a note like for gifts and stuff for him for later. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:35) 

Mmm. that’s nice. I love that you’re you’re planning on a replacement. I love that so much ? Another strategy for maintaining how much is in your closet ? We had on the abundant home conference my friend Lauren who has a tik-tok channel about how every season she pulls out her clothes turns the the hangers back we’ve all heard this trick and she only flips them when she wears them and ? 

  

And then at the end of the season, what she does is she works at a college and so she donates a lot of those clothes to girls she works with at the college. And so she knows they’re going to somebody who will give them a good home. She does the same thing with her shoes. She’s trying on everything every year. And I love that for her. ? And you guys have all heard our quiz, do I love it, do I use it, would I buy it again? So I’m going to… ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:13) 

you 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:34) 

give you a couple of different questions you could ask about clothes. Do you love it? If you love it, you get to keep it as long as you also wear it. This dress I got at Sundance, I love it, but I don’t wear it because I don’t necessarily love it on me. And then the third question, know, when I was coming up with this, I’m like, does it fit and does it flatter? And I’ve decided I don’t like the word flatter. 

  

Because I think that that for many of us doesn’t make me look thinner and I care a lot less about whether something makes me look five pounds less Here’s what I care more about. Does it fit and does it feel like me? Does it feel like what I would want the world to see me in and so if flatter is a very important thing to you then go ahead and keep it but 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:04) 

Hmm. 

  

Hmm. 

  

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:34) 

I would love for us to think about does it fit and does it feel like me? ? Do you have any sentimental clothes that you hold on to even though you don’t wear them? 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:47) 

I mean, I still have my engagement dress. I have that. You know, I have my wedding dress. But beyond that, I have a t-shirt. It’s so old right now. But Brian brought it back from Disneyland. had a chaperoned grad night. And it so he brought that back for me the day that we found out we were expecting Lily. So I keep that and it’s orange. It’s orange and it says bad girls rule. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:50) 

Aww. 

  

Aww. 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:17) 

and it has the evil queen on it and all sorts of sequins and stuff and I love it. In fact, think like Lily wears it every now and then now, which is funny because she never wears orange, but yeah, it’s a fun shirt and I still have it, but it’s very memorable. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:30) 

? I love that so much. Yeah, I have a couple of things, like things that people have given me that are sentimental that I don’t necessarily wear, but I can’t really get rid of them. You know, it’s just, ? you know, so I think it’s okay to have a couple of things, a couple of things that you’re like, I’m not ready to get rid of that. And it’s like, that’s okay. You know what? If you’re still functioning, if you still have enough clothes to wear, it’s okay. 

  

? Okay, so now if you’ve decided I’m getting rid of this I I want to give you a couple of different piles So there’s the keep pile obviously that can all go back in donate. So if it’s still in good condition ? You can donate that trash and then I think there’s also a reasonable pile That is I’m going to try it on again. Maybe closer to fall or maybe you 

  

You don’t have to make your decisions in one fell swoop. You can say, you know what, I’m not ready to make this decision. Now, I want you to make hard decisions as much as you can, but if you can’t, that’s okay. We can do this in steps because we are compassionate with ourselves and with others. Okay, we’re gonna take a quick break and when we come back, I wanna talk about cleaning out and organizing your closet. So we’re gonna come right back. 

  

Okay, friends, so if you’ve pulled a lot of your clothes out, now you don’t have to pull everything out at once. I don’t need you to do this. This is not Marie Kondo. We don’t need to pile everything in the middle of our bed and make it work. And even Marie Kondo has said recently, that’s too much. It’s too much. Don’t do that. So. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:13) 

It’s 

  

amazing what having children will do to change your perspective on keeping your house tidy. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:19) 

It really is. can I just say, I love that she said that. Because when I read her book, I was like, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, that’s not going to work for me. And now she’s saying, you know what? I’ve had a little bit more life experience. That doesn’t work for me either. So maybe if you’re 20s, Marie Kondo can totally work for you. Otherwise, maybe be gentle with yourself. So ? as much as you can, as you’re pulling things out, 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:24) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:45) 

This is the time to grab a vacuum. Grab that feather duster. You know, it’s the fuzzy duster. Let’s call it that. Get in there and clean. ? I just recently redid Roger’s closet. ? you know, I don’t consider that an especially dirty place. We do not put his clothes away dirty in there. But pulling all that out felt really good to be able to swiffer in there, wet swiffer, and just get it looking really, really good. ? Also, ? 

  

Well, we’ll talk about organization in a second, but ? get in there and just deep clean, get a handy vac, do all that. Now I also want you to go in there and let’s talk about organization. ? You can categorize by type and function. So maybe there’s work clothes, casual clothes. If you have anything formal, Roger has a couple of shirts. I mean, ? suits. I have a couple of more dressy dresses. ? maybe there’s some seasonal. We are. 

  

Where we live in the mountains, it’s very seasonal. I have probably a quarter of my wardrobe crosses over all year round. Things like sweat bottoms, things like that. But all of my winter clothes are up in the attic right now and I’ve just got summer clothes out. Now that’s probably not the same for you, right Tonya? 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:08) 

No, mean, our house is so much smaller, but we do have like our winter clothes. I put that underneath my bed. I have organizers and because, you know, again, small closets, those bulky winter clothes take up so much space. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:17) 

Okay. that’s right. 

  

They really do. You probably have a lot more clothes that you can wear year round. ? Yeah. So, you know, also think about, and I’m going to put up a picture of what I’ve done with Roger’s closet. Now my closet has a lot of, I’m not going to say nonsense, but things you might not expect in a closet. Like we keep all of our medications up on the top shelf of my closet. 

  

We keep a lot of my hair products, those kind of things. So that’s not what the typical closet is going to be for, but I’ll show you Roger’s because we’ve been able to really ? put some great systems in there that has really helped. ? So I wanna talk about some of the storage solutions we’ve done. So ? again, I use slim velvet hangers to maximize space. Roger hates those. He hates the texture of them. 

  

So he has just white plastic hanger. ? You might wanna consider clear storage bins. ? That’s what I use for all that, ? like the back stock of our bathroom stuff that we use in there. ? I also, something I’ve just discovered recently that has been super helpful is shelf dividers. So ? Roger has like four categories of clothes that he has on the top. 

  

portion of the shelf. Now I used to just throw them up there. Like there was no rhyme or reason, but he has sweats. He has long sleeve shirts. He has short sleeve shirts and jeans. And we got some shelf dividers and these things are a miracle. I love them so much. They just slide onto the shelf and they have like a wire separator and it has made his closet 40 % more organized. I love it. 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:02) 

Want to pick? 

  

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:19) 

? Yeah, I love these things. ? Also, you might want to consider hanging organizers for shoes or accessories, especially like my mom has the largest closet I have ever personally been in. It is huge. Like when they showed the house, they had a gym inside the closet. It’s huge. It’s huge. So, ? you know, my mom has shoe rack organized, hanging shoe rack organizer. 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:20) 

Nice. 

  

my gosh. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:49) 

because she has so much hanging closet space. That is not my personal dilemma. ? And then if you have drawers in your closet, well, we live an entirely different life. We just do. But ? if you do, we’ll link to the episode about ? the sock and underwear drawer organizers that might be able to help you. ? 

  

You know, there are some people like they repaint their closets. That’s not really my jam. I just want my clothes to be at I wanted to feel like I’m going into a really well run consignment store. Does that sound weird? 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:32) 

No, not at all. I mean, you want it to feel cozy and exciting and you want everything to make sense. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:41) 

Yes, yes. I think and something that has been really important for me is at the end of the day, I am very careful like the shirt I’m wearing right now. I’m wearing this for work. I’m not wearing this to make dinner. I’m not wearing this to go out into the garden. So this has not been worn. So I have not spilled anything on it yet. I mean, the day is still young, but I’m going to hang this up again. 

  

So that has been a real saver for me. Okay, we’re about to get controversial again, Tonya. So here we are, right? Okay, so we live far from everything. So pretty much after work is done, I’m gonna take my work clothes off and I’m gonna get into my night clothes. I’m gonna get into some sweat bottoms. I’m gonna put on a sports bra, which I sleep in, which freaks people out apparently. I don’t care, I live my life. Nothing bad has ever. 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:18) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:38) 

has ever happened because I’ve been in a sports bra while I’ve been asleep. In fact, I would like to suggest if I had to leave here in the middle of the night, which I’ve had to do to take Roger to the ER, I was very glad I slept in a sports bra. That’s a good thing for me. I’ve never had to, I just hang my clothes up again. And every once in a while, I’ll wash them again. 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:03) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:05) 

putting those away, having room in my closet, not having to fight with that is huge for me and I really, really love it. And then one of the things I’m going to commit to from this podcast out, I have shoe storage in my closet. I’ve got some shelves in there. This is my lazy habit. I just throw my shoes in there. I don’t put them back on the shelves. 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:31) 

you 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:32) 

So about once a week, I’d love to say I’m gonna be the person who just, that’s never gonna happen. I am 58 years old this week. It’s never gonna happen for me to just put those right back in there. So I’m going to once a week commit to putting all those things back in there. Any closet confessionals you wanna give us, anything you wanna change. 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:54) 

Yeah, I would, I feel like I say this every time we talk about closets on here. It’s like, I want to make better space of the floor of the closet. Cause I have a floor and then there’s ? drawers below it. And so I can’t put anything too heavy because then the drawers will collapse. But I always feel like it’s such a waste of space. This open space down here. 

  

Kathi Lipp (21:02) 

Yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Right? Yeah. 

  

Okay, okay, we’re both committing to making our closets more functional. I love it ? guys it will have a little download here so that you can follow along with some of these suggestions because We want your closet. Like I said, I think that that is my new vision is to have the best curated consignment shop That of all things that I would want to buy that makes me super happy.  

 

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Kathi Lipp (00:09) 

Well, hey friends, welcome to Clutter-Free Academy, where our goal is to help you take small, doable steps to live every day with less clutter and more life. And we are back talking about that dirty business of laundry, and I am here with Tonya Kubo. ? Tonya, you’re gonna have some extra laundry because you just had a little adventure, didn’t you? 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:31) 

Yes, 

  

I did, I did. We rescued a kitten and ? he is currently cuddled up in lot of dirty towels. 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:39) 

Well, you know what? And I bet he could not be happier. He has a safe place to rest and recover. Cause he was found in a couple of car engines. he is, he’s, I know it’s amazing. Well, you’ll have to keep us updated on this little bambino. So sweet. But let’s talk more about people laundry. So last time we talked about setting up a sustainable laundry routine. 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:49) 

Yes! I’m just so glad he didn’t get hurt! 

  

Yes. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:06) 

Today we’re focusing on keeping that system running smoothly with tips for folding sorting and keeping up when life gets chaotic. ? You know, when we had five adult bodies living at our house, ? the laundry was insane. It has died down a little bit. also don’t have people throwing clean clothes into the laundry. Also, I would say one of the things that has made the 

  

biggest difference for us is on the back end, not having as many clothes. I don’t know why that happens. We’re not wearing less clothing. In fact, we insist on people wearing clothing here at the Red House. We’re big on that. But ? I know that we don’t let it get as piled up because we have our favorites. We like to wear them and we wear them over and over again. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:48) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:03) 

How do you feel like laundry piles up at your house or is it pretty much is the dirty laundry contained in the the garage? Okay, hold on We’re gonna we’re gonna do some counseling here with Tonya. Like I just saw that look come over your face 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:18) 

Yeah, 

  

well the thing is, is because I live with people, back to the past episode, they want to put all the dirty clothes on the floor. Like in their mind, clean clothes go in baskets, dirty clothes go on the floor. So the hallway tends to be where everybody wants to throw their dirty laundry. And I really don’t feel like it’s that much work to put it into a basket and walk it out to the garage. But I seem to be the only person who feels like that’s not a lot of work. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:44) 

You 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:47) 

So yes, that is tough. Laundry does pile up. In fact, that is something we just had a conversation about that we’re solving this weekend. It’s you know, mom finally had to say this is not sustainable. If I have to take over laundry as I do everybody’s laundry, I will because this is very frustrating to me and I need a different system. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:48) 

Yeah. 

  

Hmm. 

  

What the frustration is seeing all the dirty laundry everywhere or not having what you need or what? 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:15) 

Well, it’s the fact that I slip and fall on dirty laundry that’s left in the hallway, especially when I get up in the middle of the night. That’s okay. You know, Kathi, falling at 47 is a whole different ball game than falling when you’re like 11 years old. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:22) 

No, not okay. 

  

It’s a different thing. 

  

my goodness. Yes. And you know what? We also want to be able to get back up. so, yes, absolutely. my goodness. 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:33) 

Mmm 

  

Right. So that 

  

that’s my main frustration. But the other thing is, and I think anybody who has kids understands, they get littler kids, right? They get very attached to a certain outfit. Like they get in their head, they’re going to wear this thing today and nothing else will do. And I’m like, well, then you really should have thought about that yesterday and made sure that thing was clean. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:42) 

Yeah 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:07) 

But I feel like if everything wasn’t on the floor, then it would be easier to establish a 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:15) 

Yeah, I agree. agree. you know, no, no, no, no, we’re a safe space here. And here’s the thing. We know that kids don’t think ahead. You know, most kids, there are some who do. There are some who plan their entire lives. Kimberly was one of those kids. But most kids are just living on a wing and a prayer. But it’s our goal to help raise them into good adults who can start to think ahead and can start to make these choices. 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:18) 

Thank you for letting me rant. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:44) 

Especially you’re in such a busy time right now with your kids have a lot of extracurricular activities We don’t want to be fighting about Laundry. Okay, so I want to talk about folding and can I tell you why I resist folding I resist folding because then he comes the putting away and It’s just it’s it’s a hard thing and it’s gotten better since I have really organized my drawers But I also know ? 

  

I’m going to say something that is going to shock and surprise you. ? Marie Kondo. I am adopting something that she talked about, which is not what I normally, not what you normally hear from me because I don’t really ? love her system for people who are cluttery. If you’re born organized, that system’s gonna work for you. But. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:22) 

Yes. 

  

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

  

I would agree. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:41) 

One thing that she advocated for, and I thought, well, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. And I have now changed my ways. So I’m admitting I was wrong and I was judgy. And here we are. And we shall never speak of it again. But she has a folding technique where it’s not just like folding in half or folding into fourths. It’s folding so that you see kind of the, how do I want to describe this? The bump of the clothes is standing up. And so, 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:09) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:11) 

I have been using that for my sweatshirts and my sweats. I tried it one time, I don’t know, 15 years ago when all this was starting, I’m like, well, this is dumb. But what I’ve learned is my drawers needed dividers so that everything could kind of sit tight in there. And you know what? It really has made a difference. So. 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:20) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:37) 

? I needed more of an explanation back then for it to work. So I got these drawer dividers and I’ll put those in the show notes. But ? those have really made a difference in ? being able to ? pack things in there in a not overwhelming way, but in a tight way. I’m assuming that, well, you’ve told me your family doesn’t believe in folding clothes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:01) 

No, they don’t. only my stuff like my stuff. Brian, if he’s putting away clothes, he’ll just put it in the drawer. He doesn’t fold anything. ? I hang most of my things, though. Just we don’t have to argue about how it’s folded if I just hang it up. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:14) 

Right, okay. 

  

Yeah, ? if you resist folding like I do might I suggest pairing it with something that you love and let me tell you what I love I love crawling into bed with moose and watching something like Downton Abbey or something i’ve watched a hundred times and I fold but I don’t put away that night I fold and I stack everything and I put it back into the basket and then the next morning I’ll put it away and ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:26) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:48) 

But it’s getting done every single day and it makes me super super happy. I don’t have a I don’t have a laundry room that Allows for folding area like you kind of have to squeeze your way in there just to Do it so i’m either folding on my bed and putting it away Or I might be folding at lunchtime and then taking it upstairs and putting it away 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:59) 

Hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:16) 

What is your folding method and area? 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:18) 

So 

  

well Brian likes to dump the laundry on the bed and then fold from there right so that you have to put you have to fold and put away the clothes before you can go to sleep It’s not my favorite. I would rather do it in the living room, you know watching TV I do 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:23) 

Okay. ? 

  

Yes. 

  

No. Yeah, because you go to bed earlier than him, right? 

  

Yeah, so that means you’re putting it away. That makes me sad for you. 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:40) 

I’m putting 

  

it away or it’s getting shoved in a basket so I can go to bed. Neither of which actually makes me happy. But I would rather do it on the couch and just watch TV while I’m doing it. That would make me happy. But yeah, sometimes I’ll just play Spotify like podcast or music when I’m putting clothes away. You’re right though, it’s like pairing it with something fun makes a big difference. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:45) 

Yes. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm 

  

and to come to find out that it really takes just about ten minutes to fold a load of laundry in my brain It takes 45 minutes, you know a business day, you know, like that’s what it takes. Yeah Okay, I want to talk about some realistic storage solutions. So we’ve talked about some of these in other ? Podcasts, but one thing for me that has been 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:11) 

It doesn’t feel like that. 

  

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:32) 

Not life-changing, but laundry changing will say that are the honeycomb dividers that ? I keep my socks. So it looks like a honeycomb and it sits in your drawer ? and it’s just like little cubby holes for socks. And ? that has been, that has been really, really good for me. I mentioned the drawer dividers. Those have been, that’s been really helpful to really section off my drawers in a good way. And then, ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:35) 

Mm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:02) 

Something that’s been important for me, and I think it’s important for other people who live maybe more seasonally than you do in central California, is ? I have a winter wardrobe and I have a summer wardrobe. And yes, there’s some spring and fall that mixes over that, but we use clear ? storage boxes that we put up in our attic with things like ? heavy coats and winter boots and… ? 

  

Pants tend to stay the same, but like big bulky sweaters. So not having everything in my closet all year round. When I lived in San Jose, I had everything in my closet all year round. And we had some snow stuff that we kept in the garage. But living so seasonally like we do, it’s just different here. Do you put anything away in a different area or is it pretty much everything altogether all the time? 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:51) 

Yeah. 

  

Yeah, so I have under the bed storage and I put ? like formal wear, you know, because you use that once every other year. So that’s underneath the bed. And then I do put all the overcoats and ? big bulky sweaters. Those go underneath the bed during the summer months. And then that just frees up some more space in the closet. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:08) 

Right? 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Okay. 

  

I love it. Okay, we’re gonna take a quick commercial break and we’re gonna come back We’re gonna talk about maintaining your your system and troubleshooting But before we go to break, I just saw you check on the kitty everything good Okay, we’re all in this together Tonya I know you don’t have a name there are certain members of your household who don’t even know you have a new cat yet, but 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:34) 

Everything’s good. 

  

Nobody 

  

knows except for Brian. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:47) 

This is amazing. I’m so excited. Okay, we’re gonna take a quick commercial break and we’ll be right back 

  

Okay, guys, ? we want to talk about how do you maintain the system and maybe some troubleshooting along the way. ? One thing I like is I would say about once a month, I’m doing a laundry reset day. Like I am just gathering everything from everywhere. I’m also doing some of the things that maybe have been neglected. Right now, I am washing all the throw blankets in our house. 

  

we have a lot of throw blankets. Roger’s like, do I smell? Why are you doing? I’m like, no, no, no, we’re gonna have company. I want everybody to have a fresh blankie, that kind of thing. So ? also that’s my day to match socks in case, you know, I just have a lingerie bag with ? extra socks and about every six months or so I just start over except for my Bamba socks. I’m still holding out hope that 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:23) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mmm. 

  

? 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:51) 

Someday we will find 

  

those. ? And then something I do that I don’t know that other people do, but maybe they do, is I keep a stain treatment up in my bedroom. So yes, so if I’m getting undressed and there is spaghetti sauce on something, I’m spraying it then. So in case I forget to check everything as it’s going in, that has been. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:04) 

Smart. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:17) 

That’s been a game changer. What detergent do you use? 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:21) 

I use a super bougie powder detergent that I buy online. ? Both me and Lily are very allergic to anything you buy at the store. Even the Arm and Hammer Free and Clear, which they tell you you can wash cloth diapers in, we react to everything. So yeah, we spend a ridiculous amount of money on laundry detergent, but that’s what we do. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:28) 

? 

  

? 

  

Really? Yeah. Yeah. 

  

? 

  

yeah, 

  

that’s fascinating. Okay, I was gonna say we do tide free and clear because Roger also Roger is super sensitive to smell, especially it’s not so much the the rubbing up against him. It’s the smell that will make him sick. And so we just and ? it was really interesting. You know, I love the wire cutter podcast and that’s their number one recommendation. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:54) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:14) 

I’m going to ask you after this podcast to go check the name of that because we’ll have other people here who can’t use detergents and are looking for something. ? So I want to, we’re going to take another quick commercial break. And when we come back, I’m going to give you a couple of recommendations of things that I use that are, I’m really, it’s one, but it’s changed my laundry life. So we’re going to take this quick commercial break and we’ll come right back. 

  

Tonya Kubo (14:22) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:46) 

Okay guys, this is the part of our podcast, things that have earned a place in my clutter free home. And so I’ve got it here on my desk and if you’re watching on video, you can see it here. It is called Miss Mouths, like mouth, messy eater stain treater. Okay, yes, Miss Mouths, messy eater stain treater. And this, I get it on Amazon, I’ll link it in there. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:04) 

I’m writing that down. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:15) 

This is it’s by the hate stains company. But this was developed for people to spray like on their child’s bib or when they got the baby food on there. You know what? It works for grown up food, too. And yeah. And so most of time I’m using just shout or something like that. But I’ve got this bottle of liquid gold that if I’ve got a stain either on something that’s really, really important to me. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:17) 

Hahaha! 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

I love that! 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:45) 

Or something that’s been set in there like I forgot about it. I’m going to spray this on there and I’m going to let it Sit for at least 15 minutes, but this is the one I keep upstairs, too so if I need to ? if I need to treat it and let it set for a while and I have not thrown away a piece of clothing since owning this ? I am in deep mourning right now. You know, I I don’t know if you know this ? 

  

I did my talk on the purple hoodie for day spring last year and they got us all purple hoodies. I got bleach on mine. Yeah, we are, and we’ve already tried to dye it once and there’s still a bleach stain on it. So I’m going and buying more. I’m very depressed about this. but it’s, I, 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:16) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Hmm 

  

we try a purple Sharpie? Or is it not that 

  

color purple? 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:41) 

It might be. I’ll try one on the inside and see how it looks. You know, at this point, it’s not going to get worse. It’s not going to get worse. So, yes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:49) 

Yeah. Can I ask a quick question? Would that get 

  

would that stain remover get blood out? My poor girls, again, allergies, they get nosebleeds in the middle of the night, they will wake up and it looks like a murder scene. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:02) 

Yes, so ? I know for blood you need an enzyme and I believe that this is an enzyme ? stain remover. So I would give it a try. You’re not going to waste your money if you buy this because it’s going to work for something else. ? Like I got it was on a white shirt and I got blueberry on it and I sprayed this on there and it got out. 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:07) 

Hmm. 

  

Okay. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:32) 

So you will get your money’s worth. It’s not cheap, but it’s not crazy either. Okay, so this has been our two part series on laundry, because guys, we have to do it every single day, right? This is what we do. I mean, well, maybe we wear clothes every day. Hopefully we’re not doing laundry every day. But hopefully you’ve picked up at least one tip, because let’s be clear, clothing is expensive. Towels are expensive. 

  

And so if we can save one item, that’s a beautiful thing. If you can have your favorite comfort shirt ready to wear when you need it. And guys, I’ve got a new favorite. I’ll take a picture of it. A new favorite comfort sweatshirt. It’s a squirrel rescue shirt from our friend Susie Flory. Her daughter designed it. And not only. 

  

Does it have the best ? logo on the front? It has little squirrel paw prints on the back. It’s the cutest thing ever, Tonya. It’s the best shirt ever. And I need it to last for a million years. So laundry is very, very important to me because we’ve invested a lot in our clothes. We wanna keep them. ? this is gonna be my last suggestion. If you are feeling overrun by clothes, could you pack away half 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:33) 

? I want one! 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:55) 

quarter of the clothes in your closets in your drawers the ones you wear the least and see if you miss them and if you don’t that may be an idea to be able to say Donate some of those clothes so you don’t have because I just remember being overrun by clothes when my kids were younger and none of us 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:18) 

Thanks for having me, this was a great topic. 

 

 

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Transcript

Kathi Lipp (00:10) 

Hey friends, welcome to Clutter Free Academy where our goal is to help you take small doable steps to live every day with less clutter and more life. And guys, we are working on systems throughout this year. And one of the systems that has brought me the most red in my life is let’s all say it together, laundry. And I am so grateful to have Tonya Kubo here. Hey Tonya. 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:34) 

Hey, Kathi. 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:35) 

Well, we are in very, because we’re in very different stages of the laundry life. ? You know, I, I’m in, I’m in delicate and you’re in heavy, you know, sleeping bag. Yes. Yes. And I remember those days well. And I think there are a couple of things that ? have given me laundry trauma in the past. ? A couple of things. One, it. 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:41) 

Yes. 

  

Heavy duty. 

  

Hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:05) 

It is such a stop and go kind of process. You wash, you dry, you fold, you put away, and it never ends. I’ll never forget, I know I’ve mentioned it on here before. One time, I think I was sick or something, and Roger took over laundry for like, I don’t know, like four or five days, and he was so excited that he got everything washed, folded, put away. 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:23) 

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:32) 

and then I took a shower and I put laundry in the hamper. He’s like, it’s not done anymore. I hate when people say welcome to my life, but if there was ever a time I was going to say it, that was going to be the day. Because yes, it’s thankless, it’s never ending. And ? you and I have talked about this before, the fact that my kids used to put folded clean laundry back into the dirty clothes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:36) 

Hmm. ? 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:01) 

made me understand why women go to jail. ? now you are not the main laundress in your house, correct? 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:05) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Correct, not at this time, right? We shift depending on work schedules and availability and all of that. But yeah, at this point in time, Brian is the main launderer of the home. ? He has very specific ideas of how clothes should be washed. ? Whereas I more have specific ideas of the whole process. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:35) 

Yes. Yeah. So is he does he do smaller loads because all the the certain colors go together or something like that? 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:44) 

No, he doesn’t do smaller loads. ? It’s more about what outfits should be available on which days. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:52) 

? interesting, okay. 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:54) 

Right? 

  

So it’s like, you know, he knows what he wants to wear for work. And so he knows what day the work clothes need to get washed. He also has a better read on like when the towels need to get washed based on the certain people who take two showers a day, the people who take one shower every time they get forced to take a shower and everybody else who falls in between. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:16) 

Yes. Okay. So according to you, not Brian, we’re leaving Brian out of this right now. But according to you, what is the most painful thing about laundry in your house? 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:21) 

Okay. 

  

So the most painful thing about laundry in my house is that everybody aside from me likes to live out of baskets. And I get mixed up and I’ll own this, right? I can never tell the clean basket from the dirty basket. They all know the clean basket from the dirty basket, but I don’t. And so I end up putting dirty laundry on top of clean laundry. Now the rest of them will tell you dirty laundry belongs in a pile on the floor. Duh. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:45) 

Right. 

  

Mercy, have mercy. 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:58) 

Only clean 

  

clothes belong in baskets. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:01) 

Yes. And if this was a different podcast, what they’d say is, well, your dirty clothes go into a colored basket and your clean clothes go into a, but that’s not, that’s not the vibe here. Like I don’t want 75 different baskets for the different stages. We have, we have two baskets because we, well, and that’s not because we have two people. have the basket that the dirty clothes has gone down in and then 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:14) 

No! 

  

Yes. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:29) 

that next basket goes in there. One is always on a different floor. But they’re transporting clean and dirty clothes. Yeah, for me, is, ? I think historically, and I feel like I’m doing better with this now, but it’s taken more work than I feel like it deserved, is putting things away. Like, 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:35) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:56) 

I don’t like to put things away because if my drawers are too full, I feel like I have conquered that for the most part, okay, we never bag on Brian around here because we love Brian. Brian is one of our favorite people. Brian is up there in the Cannon Halls. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:03) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

No, we love Brian. He does so much. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:16) 

of good husbands like Roger. But I’m going to give you a pass today and tell me why his laundry system is insane. Now, first of all, he gets to have his own laundry system because he does the laundry. And you and I agree on that. The person who does the chore gets to do it. But I also believe in a minimum standard of care. And maybe you guys disagree on what the minimum standard of care is. So. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:28) 

Mm-hmm. Yup. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:43) 

If you could boss Brian around, how would you tell him to do laundry? 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:47) 

Well, I would tell him not to put a load in the wash if he doesn’t have the time or the energy to see it all the way through to putting it away. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:57) 

? okay. Does it sometimes get stuck in the wash and start to smell and have to be redone? Not that that’s ever happened at my house. I don’t even know. I’ve just heard tell tales. 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:03) 

frequently. 

  

Right, well, we have like, it’s a twofold problem. It’s not just the forgetful part. It’s the fact that our washer and dryer is in the garage and we live in the central Valley of California, which gets hotter than Hades in the summer. So it’s like, if you in our warmer months, if you don’t switch over that laundry by the end of the day, it will have already soured because it’s just baking in the washer. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:16) 

Mmm, hot, yes. 

  

Tonya, I happen to know that in the winter, I can leave things in the washing machine for up to 26 hours and it’s gonna be fine. In the summer, I have about 12 hours and then it has to be done again. Like I know this down to a science, I understand this. But yeah, and I hate when we have to re-wash things because it’s a waste of water, it’s a waste of soap, it’s a waste of time, it’s a waste of energy, blah, blah, blah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:45) 

Yeah 

  

Yeah. Right. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. Yeah, so for me, it’s, mean, things get stuck in the wash. They get stuck in, they get left in the dryer, right? If there’s not a load behind it, oftentimes that last load gets stuck in the dryer. But more than anything, it’s just that the clothes get carried into the house and just left. And I would rather say, you know what, we’re only washing one load of laundry today, but that laundry is gonna make it from the washer to the dryer and from the dryer to being put in drawers or in the closet. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:00) 

It makes me crazy. 

  

Yeah, I agree. And I know that can’t happen every day for every household. But I think it takes if we all take a moment and say, OK, what is the part of this that’s driving us nuts? I think that that is really helpful to get us to some solution. Hopefully we’ll have ? we’ll have some ideas. Now, I also I am I like to laundry dangerously. ? I I. 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:53) 

Hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:55) 

I don’t sort it into a ton of different loads. Like I wash nice shirts in one loads, whites in another, and then it’s pretty much just survival of the fittest for everything else. And I know people that would make them crazy. ? And so if you’re doing a lot of little loads, that can be exhausting too. Okay, we’re gonna take a quick commercial break and we’re gonna come back. 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:07) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:21) 

and we’re gonna come up with some ideas that might be able to help you actually get through your laundry. So stay with us. 

  

Okay, friends, I want to talk about maybe a little bit of a mind shift when it comes to laundry. And this has been really, this has been helpful to me that we can look at laundry as a chore. Or what I’ve said is this is part of managing my life. Like if I want to have the clothes available that I want to have, then I need to this is part of my system. And one thing that has helped me 

  

Now I have the luxury of working from home. Not everybody does. want so you have to find your own timing on this. But one thing I have started to do is I go downstairs at about nine thirty every day and I’m like, what do we need to push forward? So that may be starting ? a load of laundry. That may be throwing some dishes in the dishwasher. That may be pulling something out to defrost for dinner. 

  

Like that has been so helpful to me. And then if I get the laundry started, either I’m starting the laundry first thing in the morning or at that nine, nine 30 timing, then at lunchtime I can throw things into the dryer and I’m downstairs. I can grab the shirts out that I don’t want to be wrinkled, that kind of thing. How often are you guys doing laundry time? 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:56) 

like two, three days a week. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:01) 

Okay. that’s I find that very impressive that that’s all you’re doing. Because I feel like we’re doing so I I feel like there’s always something going on here at the house. And maybe that’s just because we’re Yeah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:13) 

Yeah. 

  

I mean, for us, it’s, you we have to do towels. We don’t have enough towels, right, to only do towels once a week. So towels have to be washed twice a week. ? Lily does her own laundry, but all of her clothes are one load. That’s it. And so she does that once a week. And then, you know, for me, Brian and Abby, Brian likes to do three loads on a Saturday. Like that’s his ideal. That’s not my ideal. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:19) 

Okay. ? 

  

Okay. 

  

Okay. 

  

Yeah. Okay. I see. So you’re doing multiple loads in a day necessary, you know, so to necessitate all that. 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:49) 

Yeah, we’re three loads. Like, Brian likes to knock out three loads in one day on the weekend for the next week. And then it’s usually two loads midweek. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:59) 

Okay, okay. Yeah, okay. That seems reasonable. ? And you’re out in the garage. So you’ve got all your laundry stuff out there. Are you sorting before it goes to the garage? Are you sorting in the garage? 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:13) 

I would sort before it goes to the garage. Like I sort in the basket, right, that I carry out. But when the next person just dumps the basket out into a pile on the floor, they like to just pick from the pile and decide what they’re gonna make into each load. Except for Lily, because again, Lily does her own stuff, so it’s all in one basket. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:15) 

You 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

I have- 

  

Yeah, I have to admit I’m a pile picker. am. Now here’s the thing though, right next to our laundry room is a bathroom that doesn’t have to be used. So I can just, I’ve got all this space. So that actually works for us. ? Does each member of your family have its own laundry basket? 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:43) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

No, Lily has her own because she does her own laundry, but because all the other laundry gets done communally, we all just, well, and I have all white baskets. 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:00) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. So guys, I wanted to give you just a couple of ideas of things that worked for me when I had kids at home and some of the things I still do. So one thing that has been very helpful to us is we have all white towels. Like all the towels in the house are white no matter what room they go into. And so that’s been very useful so that we’re not having to do smaller loads of different colored towels, that kind of thing. 

  

Another thing that has been very, very helpful is if you have, especially new items of clothing, instead of like separating those out and doing things, there are things called shout color catchers and I’ll put a link to those. love, do you use those Tonya? Okay. I love them. Okay. Especially like if you’ve got new jeans or something like that or anything red, a new t-shirt. 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:46) 

Mmm, yeah. 

  

I’ve heard of them, but I have yet to try them. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:03) 

Anything that can bleed and Yeah, here’s also a tip if you use a color catcher and No, dye goes on to that color catcher. I’ve been known to use that color catcher multiple times So just a little tip from my household to you yours now. This is the other thing that I will say ? In the spirit of Lily and all of my kids teach your kids young how to do laundry 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:04) 

Like bleed? 

  

Huh? 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:32) 

? What we did was we had one day assigned to each kid that they could do laundry on that day. So they would have to get up before school, get it started. But I didn’t touch anything on that day. And so we had three kids living at home at the same time. So say like Justin had Monday, Jeremy had Wednesday, and Kimberly had Thursday. That gave me Tuesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday to do the rest of the household. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:37) 

Mm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:02) 

But they had to be done with it. They had to be done. And if they weren’t, ? I will admit to one time putting wet clothes on Justin’s bed because this maybe was the fifth time it had happened. ? I’m a nicer mom than that now, but yes. But here’s what I want to say about that is when Kimberly, and I’m sure I’ve told this story too, when Kimberly went to college, ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (14:04) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:28) 

Nobody on her floor knew how to do laundry. I was shocked and people paid her to teach them her how to do laundry. That was her side hustle her freshman year of college. I just love it. It was it’s hilarious. So it the sooner you can make your kids responsible for laundry, the better it’s going to pay off. At what point do you think Abby will start to take over her laundry? 

  

Tonya Kubo (14:31) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

I don’t know because Lily was the one who came to us wanting to know, right? It was, yeah, she was 10 and ? she was just like, ? so now she asked to know how to wash and dry her work and I showed her and she was like, so could I just wash my own clothes? And I said, well, you don’t have to like mom can do that. And she was like, but could I? And she loved the control. And so she’s been washing her clothes ever since she was 10. When Abby turned 10, we tried that. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:58) 

That’s right! 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:25) 

Abby respectfully declined. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:27) 

Yes. 

  

You know what? And kids to have different capabilities. Absolutely. so, yeah, it took my boys longer to figure it out than Kimberly, who I think was, I think she was probably around 12 when she started. But I also had the rule growing up that ? if you were sick enough to stay home, but you were well enough to watch TV, you could fold clothes. And so. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:39) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

? 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:58) 

That’s how they earned, it was mostly price is, right? And cartoons at that point. Yeah, so that, I felt like that that was, my goodness, right? It’s the best thing ever. Okay, so a couple of other things, ? a couple of items that I wanna talk about that we’re going to use. But I think the most important thing, and we’re gonna talk a little bit about this in the next episode too, is ? why do we all fall down when it comes to putting clothes away? 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:04) 

I used to love the price is right when I was sick. 

  

you 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:28) 

And 

  

I think it’s just we have too many clothes for the drawers and the closets that we have. So we’re gonna talk a little bit about that too. When we come back, I’m gonna mention a couple of things that I love that helped me do laundry. These are things that have earned a place in my clutter free home. So give us a second, we’ll be right back. 

  

Okay, guys, we are back and I just want to talk about a couple of items that I love for doing laundry. We again, live out in the country and our PG &E, which is our energy company, our bill is insane. I don’t know why we have been trying to figure this out for a really long time. And so one of the things I do, especially in the summer months is everything gets dried outside. And so I have… 

  

a folding drying rack that it looks like butterfly wings to assert, or maybe fly wings is more like it. But it opens up, you can hang things from it. I’ll add a picture to our notes, but that has been incredibly helpful to us to be able to cut down on drying, especially in the summer. I don’t mind so much in the winter just because we like the heat in the house. 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:47) 

Right. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:49) 

That has been incredibly helpful to me. Also, ? teach your kids young to use lingerie bags. So if they have sweaters, if their socks keep getting lost ? for delicate things like bras or sports bras, those kind of things, we love a good ? sweater bag or lingerie bag. I like a sweater bag because it’s really big and you can throw a bunch of things in it. 

  

and Tonya, I’m gonna ask you in a second. Is there anything that you use that has been really really helpful when it comes to laundry? I’m gonna mention my third thing which is a Clorox bleach pit ? This has been really helpful for ? Just like random spots on towels and things like that. I just dab it on there I let it set for a little bit and then Throw it in with my whites and it takes care of every single stain 

  

anything that you use that you really love. 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:48) 

I love, so I’m just gonna second the mesh bag. ? I have two. I also have one for clothes that do not go into the dryer. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:51) 

Yes. 

  

? okay. 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:59) 

So that’s my pro tip 

  

because I’m not the person who does all the laundry all the time. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:03) 

Okay, so what you’re doing is you’re putting whatever you don’t want to go into a dryer into a different colored lingerie bag. And so that’s Brian’s indication. Do not put this in the dryer. Okay, I just have to know what color is it? 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:16) 

Yes. 

  

it’s like pink. mean, it was I got it at the dollar store, right? So our regular one is. Yeah, so we’ve got a pink one, we got a white one. ? I think before I had the pink one, I had a blue one. But the main thing is just do not dry this respectfully, of course. So that’s a big one for me. White vinegar. I know it sounds basic. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:21) 

Yeah, I know, but I just think it’s fun to picture it. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:41) 

But if you have a historical problem of leaving laundry in a little longer than it should be, know, once it gets mixed in with everything else, like your whole closet smells sour. So just, you know, going like a cup of vinegar in the wash, that just kind of solves all of it for us. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:51) 

It’s so bad. 

  

So wait, wait, 

  

wait, hold on, hold on. ? This is a new tip for me. So you’ve left some clothes in there a little too long. And instead of re-washing them with soap, ? whatever your soap is, you’re just throwing vinegar in there and rinsing them and. 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:07) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

So I do vinegar with the soap, what they say is, what I’ve heard, I do not know if this is true, but they say a lot of times if you rewash it with soap, the soap, like whatever residual stuff from the soap will lock in that smell. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:22) 

Got it, okay. 

  

? interesting. 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:36) 

So we do the vinegar and the vinegar seems to pull it out. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:38) 

? 

  

okay, that’s really good to know. Okay guys learning new things here every single day at clutter free Academy Okay, come back next week because we’re gonna cover folding storing and Maintaining a laundry system that works you’ve been listening to clutter free Academy I’m Kathi Lipp now go create the clutter free life. You’ve always wanted to live 

 

 

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