#684 – Decluttering for Real Life: Simple Steps for Busy, Overwhelmed Women

#684 – Decluttering for Real Life: Simple Steps for Busy, Overwhelmed Women

#684 – Decluttering for Real Life: Simple Steps for Busy, Overwhelmed Women

Is your clutter making a comeback…again? You tidy up, you declutter, but somehow, all those piles and projects sneak right back into your life. If you’ve ever felt defeated when the mess keeps resurfacing, this episode will speak right to your heart.  
 
Join Kathi and her guest, Tenneil Register, as they unpack the real reasons why lasting organization seems so hard—and how you can break the cycle for good. They talk through absolutely doable steps for busy, overwhelmed women, get real about guilt and grace, and reveal how faith can shift your mindset about home and stuff. 
 
Whether you’re trying the “one-drawer challenge” or just wishing someone else would do the laundry, you’ll find encouragement (with a little laughter!) and practical hope for creating peace in your home that truly lasts.  

Sabbath Soup: Weekly Menus and Rhythms to Make Space for a Day of Rest

Kathi Lipp gives readers an easy-to-follow process for meal planning and prep, so that they can enjoy a full day each week of real rest and refreshment.

Could you use a break from cooking (and everything else) once a week? Not only is rest vital for your mind and body, it’s good for your soul too. God designed us to enter into Sabbath rest one day per week, but as you know, meals still need to be made. Your family still needs to be fed.

Sabbath Soup includes convenient, seasonal meal plans that take the guesswork out of shopping and cooking. More than just a collection of delicious recipes—including main dishes, breads, breakfasts, desserts, salads, sides, and yes, soups—this is your guide to establishing a weekly rhythm and routine of meal planning and prep that allows you to have a true day off.

Do something good for your soul and experience the peace that comes with a full day dedicated to spending time with God, family, and friends. Savor your Sabbath as you proudly proclaim, “Soup’s on!”

Order your copy of Sabbath Soup: Weekly Menus and Rhythms to Make Space for a Day of Rest here.

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Meet Our Guest

 

Tenneil Register

Tenneil Register can be found creating, repurposing, decorating, gardening and welcoming guests to their reclaimed barn storefront. She and her husband, Cowboy, established rural roots for their blended family of 7 in their DIY ranch home in Iowa. Connect with her on Instagram for practical ideas to reclaim your home.

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Transcript

Kathi Lipp (00:12) 

Hey friends, welcome to Clutter Free Academy where our goal is to help you take small doable steps every day to live with less clutter and more life. And I’ve got one of my favorite humans in the world, Tenille Register, here with me today. Hey Tenille, how you doing? 

  

Tenneil Register (00:28) 

Hey Kathi, I’m doing great today. I actually just decluttered yesterday, so I can’t wait to talk today about this. 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:36) 

Yay, what did you declutter? What was your area? 

  

Tenneil Register (00:41) 

closets of non-bedrooms. like closet in the office, closet in the work out room. 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:47) 

Okay, can I just tell you I think those are the worst. I think they’re the worst We have a closet in our bedroom. That’s not our bedroom closet I don’t know how to describe that but we have like Roger has a closet. I have a closet and then we have this like utility closet and It is the worst spot in my house for sure So did you find any treasures? What like what was the big reveal from yesterday? 

  

Tenneil Register (01:04) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

that our house is now like 100 pounds lighter of the weight on the studs holding it up because of the paper trash that was removed. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:19) 

? Yes. 

  

My goodness, it’s so true, right? It’s so true. Okay, so I want to dive into our episode today and I have you on for a specific reason Tenneil, If you guys don’t know Tenneil Register, so she’s a writer. She’s a speaker but she also owns retail businesses and I’ve worked retail I would say the first half of my life at least half of it was spent working retail 

  

And displays and storage are such a big deal. My background in training was, ? I worked for Nordstrom for years and years. I worked in their gift area. so displays were a big deal, but you own ? some retail businesses you have to think through how to make things practical and beautiful. 

  

And I can think of no greater challenge than when it comes to our jewelry. ? I have, are you a big jewelry person? I would say I am and I’m not, like I’m not an expensive jewelry person. The only really expensive thing I have is my wedding ring, but how about you? 

  

Tenneil Register (02:41) 

Yes, so in my early days, I liked expensive jewelry, but now I’m lucky to put my wedding ring on. You know, I have expensive jewelry, but I don’t really wear it very often. I do wear earrings pretty faithfully, because I believe it’s like, it accentuates your jawline. But other than that, like, it depends on the outfit. And so I would say I own 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:49) 

Yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (03:10) 

quite a bit of jewelry, but I wear it in phases. That’s probably the best way to describe it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:18) 

Yeah, and it’s so interesting. I feel like jewelry is such a touchy thing when it comes to emotional clutter. ? You know, ? I think when I was younger, I thought expensive jewelry was kind of proving, hey, if you love me, you’re giving me expensive jewelry. I don’t know. Maybe that’s just a younger thing. I know also there are people who love their expensive jewelry. ? 

  

I got very convicted. I heard a sermon one time on Matthew 621 about where is your treasure? You know for where your treasure is there your heart will be also and this woman was talking about is my treasure in my jewelry box and I I I’m making it sound more convicting than it should be because I think it’s okay to love beautiful things, but I really did hold like if you love me, you’ll buy me expensive things on 

  

I don’t know. I was very convicted by that verse in a good way that has really freed me. I see you nodding. 

  

Tenneil Register (04:23) 

Yeah, well, I’m nodding because I think in the 90s, we were definitely intentionally sold that marketing message from jewelers. And I can remember thinking that I was the more gold I had on my hand, not just the more loved I was, but the more stable that I was, accomplished, steady, things are secure. And I think we… 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:31) 

Yeah. Yeah. 

  

Mmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (04:50) 

I think we tend to think that when people have really nice things that something about their life feels like safer and more desirable than if not. So yeah, that’s kind of what made me inside. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:55) 

Yes. 

  

Yeah, absolutely. 

  

I think you’re absolutely right. think, you know, I was born in the 60s. You were born much later than that. But we were told if you’re loved, the ring will be big. The jewelry will be chunky. Yeah, absolutely. And I think also, you know, there are stories we tell ourselves about jewelry. Some of our jewelry is very significant. You know, you’re going to you’re going to pry my wedding ring off of my cold dead hand. 

  

Like this it means a lot to me, but there’s also sometimes false sentiment versus true significance ? I think we can honor memories or be held hostage by them ? Sometimes we’re given things like there there was a lot of jewelry in my jewelry box Probably about 15 years ago that I had worn once or twice like some some gold bracelets that I had 

  

? from a first marriage, ? things like that. And I just wonder sometimes if my, some of our jewelry boxes are full of memories or are they misplaced obligations? I just felt like because I had been given that, even though it didn’t serve me, ? I had to keep it because it was worth something. It had memories attached to it. Like I had some jewelry that was passed down from my grandmother. Now some of it I wore a lot. 

  

But some of it, it was like, okay, I’m never gonna wear it. This has nothing to do, you know, I never, it wasn’t a fond memory for me. It was just passed down. So I felt like I needed to keep it. Do you have any guilt jewelry? I guess that’s my question. 

  

Tenneil Register (06:49) 

think I do. actually keep it. This is like confession. I hope my family’s not listening. So the things that I had that I would not wear and it’s family oriented, I actually have it in our bank safe box, like at the bank. And then it’s not like in my jewelry box. But it’s there to remain part of the family estate, so to speak. And it’s not even, this stuff is not highly valuable. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:06) 

? got it. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (07:19) 

That’s just a place out of my daily life that it can be kept safe for generations to come. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:19) 

Right! 

  

Yeah, because things do come around and jewelry is relatively small. So it’s easier to I don’t want to say hoard, but you know, for some of us, it’s hoard. And so yeah, it’s very it’s so much easier to do that. I wanted to tell I wanted to tell a story on here. You know, I had my wedding ring from my first marriage. And, you know, it wasn’t super valuable, but they definitely had some value to it. But 

  

It’s not something I wanted anymore. And I had some ? gold bracelets and things like that from that. And I was trying to think of what I could do with them. And there was a cause that was really important to me and Roger after we got married about building wells in Africa. And I said, what would you think about me selling my first wedding ring? Because you don’t really sell the wedding ring, you’re selling the gold. 

  

and the diamond attached to it if there’s a diamond on there. And so I talked about it with Roger. I talked about it with my kids. I’m like, if there’s any reason you want me to hang on to this, and my daughter said I would hawk it. And I’m like, okay, then I’m not saving it to pass down to you. And so what we did, yes. Yeah. Nope, they could not care less. 

  

Tenneil Register (08:23) 

Great. 

  

was dying to know whether the kids wanted that. I was dying to ask you that. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:49) 

So what I did actually was I sold it and we used the money to build wells in Africa and it’s actually part of one of Susie Flory’s books I’ve never written about it, but she wrote about it in one of her books about ? I’m trying to remember the historical figure that sold a bunch of stuff to For service and that’s what we did and can I tell you I’ve never felt a day of guilt over that like that was exact 

  

it and so it’s this I Thought I might feel guilty about it. But what it really was is like no, that’s actually something You know, I’m not a huge fan of my ex-husband I have much more positive feelings towards him now than I did when we got divorced but He doesn’t even know that I did that but I still think about that’s something positive that came out of our Relationship does that make sense or am I weird? 

  

Tenneil Register (09:46) 

Wow, 

  

such a beautiful way of reclaiming something out of a difficult situation and making something beautiful. I absolutely love 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:50) 

Mmm. 

  

I do feel like there’s some redemption there. I really, really do. I, you know, I, and I didn’t want to feel judged by it about from my kids or from anybody else, but I think that there’s a stewardship aspect of this, that we can use those things. 

  

Tenneil Register (10:17) 

Yeah, so one way that I’m stewarding jewelry, think a little different, hopefully than like generations before me, like, like expensive jewelry that my husband bought me early in our marriage and I loved it and I wore it all the time. And now maybe I don’t wear it, I don’t love it as much. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:25) 

Yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (10:37) 

If I wait until I pass away for my daughters to inherit that jewelry, they will probably also be at an age where they’re not wearing that sort of thing. And so I’ve started working through like jewelry that I own currently and gifting it to them like right now while they’re in their 20s and they love jewelry. And yet maybe I lose it on vacation because they’re still at that phase of life. But if it brought 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:48) 

you 

  

Yes. 

  

Tenneil Register (11:07) 

if it brings them joy, whether it’s for 13 months or the next 33 years, like that would be a better place for it than in the bottom of my drawer for them to find later. Plus, unless I’m gonna go through and label, like this one was from my first husband, blah, blah, blah. And this one was from my current husband, your dad. You know, like what is the… 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:20) 

That’s so true. 

  

Yeah! 

  

Tenneil Register (11:35) 

Who wants to leave an inventory of their jewelry? And so I would rather like give it to them while I’m alive and say like when I was your age, I loved wearing this. It’s valuable. Your dad bought it for me. Here it is. So that’s that’s one of 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:39) 

Right. 

  

love that so 

  

much. Yes. And, and yeah, jewelry is meant to be worn. It gets more beautiful, the longer it’s against skin. I mean, I love that. And so both Tenneil and I have admitted, hey, we’re, we’re not like expensive jewelry people. I’m more like, it feels weird to say costume jewelry, but let’s just say I’m in the 

  

$45 and below category for most of my jewelry, right? And so I want to talk about how do you actually organize that? because I’ve got I’m not gonna lie. I’ve got a lot of it and I want to be able to use it I want to be able to find it too. That’s another thing So I want to tell you some solutions that I have Tenneil has some solutions. So we’re gonna talk about 

  

Yeah, because we’re cheapy girls. That’s it. We’re fun. ? No, we’re gonna call it fun fashion jewelry. That’s what we’re gonna call it We’re not gonna call it costume. We’re gonna call it fun fashion I feel like putting things in order in my house gives me so much joy 

  

? To be able to find things to categorize things that kind of thing, but I will tell you until ? December of this year my jewelry was chaos I kept trying to find solutions for it so but I want my home to be a place of beauty order and peace and So I want to hear from you Tenneil, What are some? Freed because you’re a display girly and You’re good at this stuff. What are some things that you have done to really? 

  

? Just I don’t know if it’s do you display your jewelry do you hide your jewelry? What do you do? 

  

Tenneil Register (13:35) 

So I have a combo. I’m gonna be really plain, my three jewelry habits. One of them is I tend to take off my jewelry as I unwind for the day, right? So I have three significant places then that these little small piles of things like my wedding ring and earrings end up in. And so I’ve learned that that’s my habit and I have put a cute little dish in those places. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:38) 

Okay. Yes. Yes. 

  

Yes, me too! 

  

Tenneil Register (14:05) 

so that they are corralled. I could scold myself to walk to my real jewelry box that hides a lot of jewelry, but I’m not going to. So I just have this pathway and then I pick them up from that path the next day. All right, so that’s one way. I do have a flown jewelry box with the doors that open on the side with necklaces and earrings and stuff like that. That’s kind of my catchall. And then 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:05) 

Yes! 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil Register (14:34) 

I have, well I guess I have four piles. I have the mess that accumulates on top of said jewelry box, because I’m too lazy to open the drawer and put it away. And then I do have some displayed jewelry. I actually have some busts that you would see in a store. And I have those on top of a dresser for my necklaces that I wear most often. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:51) 

Hmm? ? yeah! 

  

Tenneil Register (15:00) 

And then also like one that I don’t wear, a necklace that I don’t wear often, but I love it and I want to see it. So I have that on the bust on top of the dresser. That’s my personal style. My sister, she’s amazing. She has like a screen window that’s vintage and cute and her little earrings hang on that. And then she has a window frame with all these little hooks on it. And then all of her necklaces are on that. And I always want to be that because I think she must get so much joy. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:16) 

Right? 

  

Tenneil Register (15:28) 

when she walks up to the wall of her jewelry that also looks like beautiful wall decor and she can pull off her pieces and wear them. But that is not my personal habit. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:39) 

Yes. Okay. I love it. I love it so much. And ? yes, the screen is something I’ve seen before. I was going to build it until another solution came into my life, which I will talk about. I think some other things to think about guys are things like velvet trays, because everybody’s house is different, right? You may have more drawer space. So a velvet tray could be really, really helpful for you. And especially if you’re like a ring person. 

  

Like ? a or a bracelet person having those velvet trays could be really really helpful one of my friends had a cake stand and she put all of her different bracelets on it and it was so cute and then for a long time I used a pegboard where I would just hang my necklaces and things like that if If you’re a curator of things like teacups that could be really cute for you as well. What were you gonna say Tenneil? 

  

Tenneil Register (16:35) 

I actually have a cake stand in my bathroom. It’s a really pretty marble stand. And so there’s like a small plant and a little, you know, motivational saying. And that cake stand is where I can take off my daily jewelry and put it up there. And then it’s not on the counter where it can fall into the sink. It’s up on the cake stand. 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:38) 

? cute. ? huh. 

  

you 

  

Yes, okay. And here’s my thing. I like the people who just take their stuff off and go put it away. I will never understand those people. That is not me. And you 

  

Tenneil Register (17:03) 

This episode is not for 

  

you. We love you. We admire you. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:07) 

Yes, we admire you. You are listening to the wrong podcast friend, but ? here’s what I do I I have a silver antique dish that I love but I never really knew what to do it Every day I go take it off there and it just piles up until the end of the week And then I put everything away at the same time, but it’s still I think it’s it’s a beautiful It’s a beautiful way to do it and it’s a grace based system Which I love I it just says 

  

Tenneil Register (17:11) 

haha 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:36) 

Hey, you know, we’re not looking for perfection. We’re not saying, hey, we’re gonna go put this away every day. And I will say, I do have a dish on my desk because sometimes I’m at the end of my day where I have to look cute, but I’m still working. So I take my earrings off, I take my necklace off, I put it on that little dish and it works for me. And that works for me. Another thing that you might think about is a jeweler tree. ? So it has like, 

  

holes that can stick out that you know, you can hang things off of and that’s what I did for a long time ? but I Think one thing to think about is to group jewelry with a purpose I have once I well I’ve got three sets of jewelry where the earrings they didn’t I didn’t buy them as a set but they just go together and I hang them together so that it’s just easy it’s like a capsule and I so I also keep 

  

those where for travel, they work with a lot of different things. And I’ve got this one pair of earrings, they’re just thin gold hoops that work with everything. So I have a cup, I have one set of those that I leave in our trailer, because they’re going to go with absolutely everything. actually have, I have to replace this because it went through the wash. It makes me crazy. 

  

I’ve lost so many things by leaving things in my pocket, but this is a pair of earrings made out of ? Boots like wading boots in Alaska. They go with everything. I love them So I need to order a new pair of those but I left those in our RV for the longest time because they just go with everything so I think either grouping things that go together is a great way to do that or reducing 

  

If you’re just a simple gold or silver hoop person, go for it. Or maybe you’re like, I could wear the same turquoise necklace every day of my life. I love turquoise. Never buy me, yep, exactly. I love it. Never buy me diamonds, buy me turquoise. That’s what makes me so happy. Any last thoughts, Tenille? 

  

Tenneil Register (19:42) 

to my hearing everyday of my life. 

  

I also keep a travel pack of jewelry and I actually it’s separate than my everyday jewelry. Then I don’t have to sort it all out. So I have travel jewelry. some of them are duplicates of something I own and then I there’s no back and forth with that. And then, I mean, if you’re somebody who will put your stuff away, like we’ve sold and people really love them is like the full length mirrors that open up the mirror to the jewelry inside. ? 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:58) 

Mmm. 

  

? okay. 

  

Tenneil Register (20:23) 

And many of my customers have purchased those from me and they say it’s life-changing. I just haven’t been able to discipline myself in that way. But I can see how being close to the mirror would help. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:24) 

Yes. 

  

Okay. 

  

Yeah. So I’m going to go deep into the mirror because that is the thing that has earned a place in my clutter free home. And so I want to talk about, yeah. So I’m going to tell you the story of how this came into my life and how it has changed my life. Okay, guys, this is our segment. You know it, you love it. It is things that have. 

  

earned a place in my clutter free home and I want to tell you about my full length mirror jewelry organizer. Now, I am not the person who puts away my jewelry every day, but I have my little silver dish that goes right next to this. this is how I never seen one of these before. But my daughter, Amanda, my stepdaughter, Amanda, ? when people come to our house, they use our bath. 

  

We redid our bathroom a few years ago and guys, it’s my favorite room in the house. I love it so much. But she saw my jewelry collection and she’s like, Kathi, you are out of control. I’m like, I know, I know. But I just hadn’t really thought through how to really take care of that. And so for Christmas, all my kids got together, they each chipped in and they bought me the full length mirror. 

  

jewelry organizer and they bought me a couple of pieces of jewelry to put in this and you guys I love this so much first of all It’s a full-length mirror, which we already had but we had just a little one in our bedroom And this is full-length I love it And so you open it up you open up the mirror part and it has places for rings bracelets Necklaces and it has a whole rack for the earrings 

  

And can I tell you, so once a week, I take everything from that silver dish and I hang it back up, but it’s like going into your favorite curated store and picking out your earrings for the day. And it makes me so happy. I can’t even stand it. So you said a lot of your customers have bought that as well. 

  

Tenneil Register (22:34) 

Yes, yeah, we sold them in our shop and it’s a swivel one, you know, and so it works like in a lot of flexible places. yeah, that’s been really popular. So I think you’ve changed at least my life that the mess I put on top of my jewelry box, I’m gonna put a nice tray there. Because then I can pick them up and put the pieces off and it will feel like an official task instead of shape like the pile. 

  

Kathi Lipp (22:40) 

? 

  

Mm-hmm 

  

Yes. 

  

Yes, I love it. 

  

Tenneil Register (23:03) 

It’s just a matter of, 

  

Kathi Lipp (23:03) 

Yes, I. 

  

Tenneil Register (23:05) 

that’s a grace-based system, right? Instead of guilty myself of being messy, I have a system. I love it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (23:07) 

Right. 

  

Yes, and can I tell you I feel like this is what fancy ladies do I really do like your fancy lady mate You would take your necklace off. You would take your earrings off and then some maid would come do it now I’m the maid in this in this scenario, but it makes so much better Yeah, and guys i’ll put a link to the ? the cabinet that I have that I love ? and Yeah, my kids I love when they come together, you know wonder twin powers activate because 

  

Tenneil Register (23:23) 

And you’ll see the key. Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (23:41) 

This has been so great and it doesn’t take up much room, but it lays everything out. It makes me feel so happy. And Tenille, I also need to know where you got those earrings because I may need those in my life. Don’t tell me you got them like seven years ago. 

  

Tenneil Register (23:59) 

It’s been a bit, but I think I can find you the place. 

  

Kathi Lipp (24:04) 

Okay, very very cool. If you happen to find the place we will also put it in the in our show notes because Those are super super cool. I love them. I’m also going to show for people who are watching online My favorite pair of earrings my friend carol gave these to me. I they’re they’re my favorite fun and funky earrings But ? look at those little I mean aren’t those I? There can you see them? They’re they’re very 

  

Tenneil Register (24:30) 

That macrame, right? 

  

Kathi Lipp (24:33) 

Yes, they’re macrame. They’re like a yellow gold. I cannot tell you how many things these go with they make me super happy. So ? yeah, but yours are fabulous and ? mine mine are these are made out of ? how how bone the ones that i’m wearing today and ? I they just make me super happy. So guys if We ? yes, I will i’ll see if I can find a link 

  

Tenneil Register (24:55) 

And I need to know about these ones made from boots. The ones made from boots. the parents of the kid knows that. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (25:03) 

Yeah, they’re super cute. Sadly, they don’t do well a parent leather doesn’t do well in the washing machine. Who knew right who knew? Yeah But i’m gonna find those because yeah, they make me super happy and guys You make us super happy by you just being here. I hope this gave you an idea or two for your jewelry situation because having your stuff laid out 

  

Tenneil Register (25:10) 

Oops. ? 

  

Kathi Lipp (25:28) 

to get dressed every day, add, it’s the icing on the cake. And that’s what we want for you. We want every day to have a little icing on your cake. You have been listening to the Clutterfree Academy podcast. I’m Kathi Lipp. Now, go create the clutter free life you’ve always wanted to live. 

 

 

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Kathi Lipp gives readers an easy-to-follow process for meal planning and prep, so that they can enjoy a full day each week of real rest and refreshment.

Could you use a break from cooking (and everything else) once a week? Not only is rest vital for your mind and body, it’s good for your soul too. God designed us to enter into Sabbath rest one day per week, but as you know, meals still need to be made. Your family still needs to be fed.

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Meet Our Co-Host

 

Tonya Kubo

Tonya Kubo is the illustrious and fearless leader of Kathi Lipp’s Clutter Free Academy Facebook group and the Clutter Free for Life membership program. A professional community strategist, she believes everyone deserves to have a place online where they feel like they belong. Raised by a hoarder, Tonya knows firsthand the pain and isolation that comes from living in conditions others don’t understand. She wants better for her family and her cluttery peeps, which is why she is passionate about the compassionate slow-and-steady approach that makes Clutter Free unique. She lives in the heart of California with her husband, Brian, their two spirited daughters, and one very tolerant cat. Visit tonyakubo.com to find out more about her community work, or email her at tonya@kathilipp.org to discuss the Clutter Free Academy podcast and programs.
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Transcript

Kathi Lipp (00:09) 

Well hey friends, welcome to Clutter Free Academy where our goal is to help you take small doable steps to live every day with less clutter and more life. And speaking of less clutter, we’re gonna dive into the bathroom today guys and we’re gonna dive in with one of my favorite clutter free human beings. It is Tonya Kubo. I was about to say Tonya Lipp. Did you need to be adopted? I mean was that? 

  

I’m not gonna lie, Christmas for our kids. Yes, Christmas for our kids is not bad. And they’re all in their 30s. just think about it. ? We could make some arrangements. And by the way, Roger and I are not grandparents, so this would have some built-in benefits for us as well. okay. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:35) 

Hey, it’s good to be a Lipp! 

  

hahahaha 

  

You would. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:01) 

Can I tell you my favorite room in this entire house is the one that almost nobody else goes into? Almost not even Roger. I’m not gonna lie. It is my bathroom. My bathroom makes me so happy. 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:15) 

? well, your bathroom should make you happy. It has heated floors. That’s my favorite part of your bathroom. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:19) 

It does have heated 

  

floors. Yep. And that’s not enough for moose. She needs a heating pad in there. But it also has like, it’s a, you guys, it’s the only fancy thing we have. ? it has, it has ? a, a wet floor for half the bathroom. So that’s like a giant open shower, which is crazy. But if you’re going to design your own bathroom, go all in friends, go all in. 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:31) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

I agree. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:48) 

Yeah, and then it has a beautiful jet tub. And ? yeah, it just makes me so happy. But can I tell you where I went wrong in all my designing and scheming? Here’s where I went wrong. I did not think about storage in there. did not think, you know, here I am, the queen of trying to be clutter free. And ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:01) 

Where did you go wrong? 

  

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:15) 

I love storage behind doors so you don’t have to think about it. There’s none. we’ve got five drawers, know, ? two of which are Rogers, three, well, one of them is shared and two are mine. And then we have to put some baskets on the bottom of the vanity that we can pull out. But you know, you’re storing things like toilet paper, hairdryers, things like that. And then we’ve got some other, yeah. 

  

It’s just not great. gonna, so I have had to figure out how to be as decluttered as possible. Now, I say that, I whine about my lack of storage, but Tonya, would you care to share your bathroom setup? 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:46) 

Right. 

  

Mm. 

  

So 

  

setup is, you know, sub-optimal, let’s call it that. So of course we’ve got four humans, one bathroom, and you the house was built in the early 50s so well we do have a cabinet and drawers in the bathroom that is one of only two closets in the whole house outside of the bedroom closets so we have to do a lot with that storage space and the worst 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:08) 

Yes. Yes. 

  

Right. 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:31) 

I think what’s the worst is we have a pedestal sinks. We have no under sink storage and no counter either. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:37) 

  1.  

  

Right, it is that is, that is a problem, especially with that many humans. ? One of them a teenage, one of them solidly a teenager, the other one teenage, adjacent, and it’s a lot. So, ? you know, I, in my bathroom, I want my bathroom to be a place of calm. But Tonya, can we just say your bathroom just needs to be a place of survival? 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:47) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:06) 

Someday. 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:07) 

Well, 

  

exactly. Yeah, no, it’s exactly it’s survival and the cat box is in there, right? So it’s like a whole lot of stuff going on in there. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:13) 

? bless you. ? 

  

bless you. ? my goodness. Okay. Let’s all take a moment of silence for Tonya’s bathroom. Okay. So here’s, here’s what I want to talk about. So this is, this is about decluttering your sink space. Okay. So Tonya you’re done. Cause there is no sink space. Done. Okay. But for the, okay. But for the rest of us, 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:33) 

Done. A plus plus student over here. 

  

Ha ha! 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:42) 

who have normal bathrooms, who have some storage, that kind of thing. I wanna talk about a few ideas, ticks, ticks, ticks, my, guys, I’m still recovering from COVID, so if I’m stupid, just roll with it, friends, just roll with it. Tricks and tips that we can do. So if you’re under the sink, storage is a mess. 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:46) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Okay. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:08) 

This is gonna sound very anti Kathi and very anti clutter free, but here’s what I’m going to ask you to do I’m gonna ask you to take everything out and we normally rail against taking everything out at one time because that can be very overwhelming to our ADHD ADD adjacent brains ? because if you’re a cluttery person 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:32) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:36) 

that may not be your diagnosis, but you understand the territory that that is. And that can be really, really overwhelming because all of us have had that project where we’ve everything out and we’ve lived like that for two months. And I don’t want you to do that, but fortunately the under sink area is small enough that it probably shouldn’t be too much. 

  

And then I’m gonna ask you to just lay everything out. Put everything on the floor, put everything on the table. And ? Tonya, what would be your advice if when you’re going through that stuff, obviously we’re gonna throw away trash, we’re gonna recycle what we can. But say like you have duplicates there and you don’t have a ton of space. What would be your advice to people? 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:26) 

Yeah, well, this is such a great topic because I’ve been working with some of our Clear Free for Life members on their bathrooms, right? Because when you’re overwhelmed, I think the bathroom is a great place to start. You’re the one who taught me that, Kathi, because it’s a small space and the bathroom sink in and of itself is such a win because that’s where you get ready, right? You’re washing your hands when you get, I mean, it’s the highest traffic area really in a bathroom. And so, 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:34) 

Mmm. 

  

Yes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:54) 

One of the things that I suggest is when you’re going through everything, when you have a bunch of duplicates, I think the first thing is get real with yourself and decide, these things, like, do I really want duplicates of this? Okay. If it is like your favorite pumpkin spice hand soap and you’ve got five of them and you love pumpkin spice hand soap by all means, make your hand smell like pumpkin spice all year long. But if you’ve got duplicates of something you don’t like, I think those go in the giveaway pile. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:56) 

Yes. 

  

Yes. 

  

Yes, or you know, take that lid off, smell it. Now, if you just don’t like the scent, I’ll just tell you, Plumeria from Bath and Body Works grosses me out in deep, deep ways. Because to me, it smells like, well, it doesn’t gross me out. It just reminds me of feminine hygiene products. And that’s not what I want to smell like. I’m just going to be honest with you. So. 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:32) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Okay. 

  

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:53) 

Smell it if you just don’t like the smell because that’s not your scent then give it away If it’s off in any way shape or form that gets pitched nobody wants your off smelling stuff ? so yes lay everything out and then ? Go if you have duplicates if you have the room you can store them there in the bathroom where you use them if you don’t find someplace else but just 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:00) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:22) 

Remember where you store things. That’s the important thing. So I have backup storage in my closet. I’ve got very high shelves in there and I have drawers and I’ve got one drawer that’s like for hair and I’ve got one drawer that’s for skin and makeup and it’s the backups. And so instead of going to the store, I’m going to go into my drawer to get those things. 

  

Yeah, throw away any expired products or empty containers. I think that’s really important. Why do you think we hang on to those things, Tonya? 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:57) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

my gosh, Kathi, for so many reasons. So I do think a lot of times empty containers end up underneath the bathroom sink because we don’t know what else to do with them. And we think, we’ll put it here for now and then we’ll figure out what to do with it later. Or we think that there’s gonna be a future state where we’re gonna have an idea of how to use it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:11) 

Mmm, yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm. I love it. Okay. The next thing is if you haven’t used it in six months Do you really need it now here is what I would suggest, you know, just don’t throw it away I would now if I was the mom of a teenager and teenager adjacent I I think it could be fun to go through and say hey guys. Do you want to try these masks? 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:43) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:50) 

you know, let’s see if either of you like these things. And so I know my daughters, ? well, I should say my daughter loves to come into my bathroom when she comes to visit and see what I still have that doesn’t look like it’s in use. And sometimes I have to say, no, I just spent all my money on that eye cream, hands off. But there is sometimes things I’ve been given that just aren’t my jam, but they’re really, I mean, they would be cool. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:07) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Right. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:19) 

You know, just recently, my daughter was going through stuff and she’s like, Ooh, why do you have this lightning grease from, ? what’s the name of that? You’ll know what I’m talking about. It looks like, lush, lush. You know, yeah. Lush is very big, ? with her and her friends. And I’m like, Roger and I were at the mall and I was bit by something while I was standing outside. 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:34) 

? yes, I like Lush. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:48) 

and it was the itchiest I’ve ever been. And I went into Lush, I’m like, do you have anything for this? And they said, yes, this greased lightning, it’s a spray bottle. I sprayed it on there, instant relief. It was wonderful. But Kimberly uses it for other things. So I gave it to her. she’s going to appreciate it more, right? 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:07) 

Nice. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:10) 

So ditch what you don’t use, but you know, maybe give it another try see if it’s something if you were given something and you kind of stuck it in the back there give it a try it may become your next favorite product. So I do have duplicates of stuff, but I’ve really since I’ve started living the clutter free life. I have said, okay, I’m only buying a backup when I only have a couple weeks left. Like I’ve got a hair. 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:37) 

Mm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:39) 

thing that I use and I was tempted to buy three of them because it’s just easy to buy all of them. Like, why am I paying to store all this stuff? That’s ridiculous. And so I’m trying to do that. Now, are you a stocker upper or are you a replace as needed? 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:55) 

No, you know, this is back to like privilege of living in town Most things we replace as needed every there are certain things like for instance shampoo and conditioner When we open one then we buy the next one Because I know that we need shampoo and conditioner every month, right? That just makes sense there but like the hand soaps body wash I find that you know a scent we love now sometimes by the time you get to the end of the bottle you’re tired of it 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:59) 

Yeah. 

  

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Right. 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:24) 

So that I just replace as needed. 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:25) 

It’s so true. 

  

It’s so true. Yes, I am using one right now and I’m very much looking forward to buying my next scent. 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:35) 

I hear you, Kathi, I hear you on that one. 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:37) 

Yep, 

  

yep. Okay, so ? The other thing yeah, we’ve talked about this another podcast, but don’t be using old makeup Especially on your eyes and if anything smells off pitch it I don’t care that it’s Lancome or anything like that pitch it go for it 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:56) 

Also, don’t give your old crusty makeup to your kids. I know like when I was growing up, that’s what my mom and her friends did. I have friends who do it, but like, okay, you don’t want to get an eye infection in yourself. You don’t want to give one to your kids. Just trash, trash, trash. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:10) 

No. 

  

Yeah, yeah. And I think what that causes us to do is to use up what we have that is good. And that’s yes. And we want to teach our kids to be responsible with their makeup. And by the way, I don’t wear Lancome. My expensive stuff is Mac. But let’s be honest, most of the stuff I’m wearing I get when I’m at Wal-Mart. ? You know, hey, I love tubing mascara and you can get that at Wal-Mart. OK. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:18) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:40) 

Okay, so the first thing was to take everything out. Second thing purge, three, reduce and simplify. You don’t need seven different mascaras. Pitch all of them except for the recent one because mascara can go bad. It can go off. ? If you find, consolidate stuff. That’s what I’m doing right now with some of my ? hair products. I’ve got, I don’t know why, but I’ve got bottles that have a third or 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:51) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:09) 

I am combining all of those things and there’s a little funnel that I got it on ? on Amazon and all I’ll put it here in the show note 

  

But it’s a little funnel for doing just that, putting little bits of things like your cosmetics, your lotion, that kind of thing. so ? combine, combine, combine. number three is reduce and simplify. Only keep what you actually use. ? If you have a lot of, say, mini shampoos, mini conditioners, 

  

First of all, stop grabbing those at the hotel. You don’t need them. And most hotels have turned to just one big pump in the hotel anyway. So that’s going to help us cluttery people a lot. ? And if you get beauty samples, try them. See if you actually like them. And then you can reinvest. It’s not worth it to save it for a rainy day. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (14:53) 

Mm-hmm. ? 

  

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:13) 

We’ve all lived through the pandemic. We have lived through the rainy days. Don’t save that kind of stuff. Okay, so now we’re going to clean. So, you know, wipe the inside of the cabinets, the drawers. ? One thing that I am now doing, Tonya, because it’s just fun. I don’t have wallpaper in my house. That’s just not something I do, but I love the look of wallpaper. And I have been ordering some samples because we need to wallpaper the inside of our RV. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:35) 

Right. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:43) 

because we just went to check on our RV and the wallpaper was halfway down the wall. So yeah, heat, moisture, yeah, we did all the right things and still did that. So I’m going to be re-wallpapering, but I’m getting some samples now. So one of the things I’m doing, and it’s silly and ridiculous, but can I tell you how happy it makes me? I’m putting, yeah, so. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:44) 

? 

  

I was gonna say, I don’t care. wanna know more now. Tell me the silly ridiculousness you 

  

have. 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:09) 

You 

  

can buy wallpaper samples for a dollar. And so I am taking those to the RV and seeing which ones will all match with what we’re doing. But I also got some samples of some wild ones for just a strip of that we could do. And the rejects, I am lining the inside of my drawers and I open up those drawers. Can I tell you how happy it makes me? It makes me so stinkin happy. 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:39) 

What is it, Kathi, that you feel like makes you happy about it? Is it just the colors? Is it the print? Or is it the fact that it just looks more put together to you? 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:48) 

It looks more put together and it is something I’m doing entirely to take care of myself. It’s like a secret, yes, this is just for me and it makes me so happy I can’t even stand it. I am going to, one of the things I’m doing, we have two other bathrooms in this house. So you can get waterproof mats. 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:54) 

? I like that. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:15) 

to put on the bottom of those ? that will keep it so if something spills or leaks or something like that, it’s not going to ruin that. And this is a really good time to check for leaks. If you’ve got, you know, if you’ve got especially an older house, it’s great to get a leak detector. We have paid for our leak detector and we have a nephew who ? is in 

  

in the business and he gave us the leak detector that especially if you live in a high water area, you can check for leaks around your house. it might be worth or borrow one from somebody you know who’s in construction or something. Just check every once in a while. It’s good to check. And if you’ve got a leak under that bathroom sink, take care of it because 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:46) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:10) 

It was ounce of prevention is worth a dollar of cure or something like that. You know what I mean Pound of cure. That’s it. Yes. So that’s probably British right an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure No ounce. No, I don’t know. No, it’s weights. It’s weights. You’re right. Okay, so ? Now I want to talk about organizing under the sink so tonya have you done anything in your kitchen? 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:14) 

Pound of cure, pound of cure. 

  

No, no, it’s a US thing. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:40) 

organization-wise that could transfer to a bathroom sink. I’ll tell you one of the things that we’ve, oh, go for it, yes, if you have an idea. 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:43) 

? Go ahead. No, I was going to 

  

say my best idea came from you. So you start and let’s see if it’s the best idea that I agree with here. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:51) 

Okay, 

  

so I don’t know maybe six months ago we bought these stacking ? Okay, so tell tell us Tonya because you’ve got more brain power than I do right now 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:05) 

So you had, I don’t even remember when we were talking about, I think it was another episode, but these stacking shelves or stacking organizers, whatever you want to call them, that go underneath the sink because for years, I’m just so functional with certain things, but also it’s one of those things that like, this is how my mom did it. And even though I knew it didn’t work, I didn’t know another way to do it. But you have all this lost vertical space in an under the sink cabinet. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:21) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Right. 

  

Exactly. 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:33) 

And you know, it’s like, well, if I have like a really tall jug of something, I can put it down there. But how often do we have really tall jugs of something? So that’s stackable organizer. In fact, that’s what I’ve been sharing with some of our members who have very small bathrooms, but they do have a bathroom sink with a cabinet underneath is just going out and getting a stackable system. You can put twice as much stuff down there. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:41) 

Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:59) 

And the other thing, and I think it was you that talked about it, but having a removable caddy for the things that, you know, like your shower stuff, for instance, you don’t want to keep it all in the shower because that makes the shower hard to clean. So you just carry it in and out, but it’s out of the way, out of view when you don’t need it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:05) 

Yes. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

I love it so much. Yes, you have mentioned everything. And I know some people have like pull out drawers under there and that’s great if it can fit. So those are some great ideas. I love it. ? The other thing is ? if you have the room installing a tension rod down there that you can use to ? hang your spray bottles off of and that’s been a game changer for us as well. 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:25) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:47) 

Okay, let’s talk about counter space in the bathroom. I know I keep talking about things that Tonya does not have. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:53) 

It’s 

  

okay because our listeners do, Kathi, and we are here to serve our listeners. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:57) 

Yes. I’ll tell you one thing that I’ve done that has made a big difference is just having a pretty tray. Because there are things I want to keep on the counter. I’ve got a couple of hair products, that kind of thing. that has, it just makes it look more pulled together. And it’s easy to clean by just taking, you know, moving that, wiping it down, putting it back if you need to every once in a while cleaning the tray off. 

  

Tonya Kubo (21:06) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (21:22) 

But can I tell you something that has been a game changer in my bathroom that people might not think about? It’s having a medicine cabinet in a weird place. Now, okay. Okay, so we have ? a mirror over our sink, right? And I didn’t want a medicine cabinet there, but I do have a medicine cabinet on the opposite wall behind. 

  

Tonya Kubo (21:35) 

Okay, I need explanations please. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (21:52) 

over my toilet. And so it’s just another mirror in there, which is nice because I can get, I can look at myself from behind once I’m dressed and I can say, okay, is this working? But also it has just great storage. It’s not for like my toothbrush or anything like that. keep, ? first of all, I keep our toilet cleanser in there. ? I keep… 

  

Tonya Kubo (22:03) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (22:18) 

our spray bottle in there because remember I don’t have any under the ? sink storage. I keep backups of a couple of things that we run out of pretty frequently. ? So some of the smaller shower gels and things like that. ? it just blends in, it’s not a big deal, but it’s great storage in a weird place and I love it. Yeah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (22:44) 

Yeah, it’s so 

  

creative. that’s part of what you need, especially when you have small spaces or when you’re working through your clutter journey, ? you need creative solutions. And I think that’s a kind of lesson to take away from this particular episode is the most important thing is figure out how do you make the space work for you. 

  

Kathi Lipp (22:59) 

Yes. 

  

Yes, it’s so true. Okay, I’ve got another weird thing that I’ve done. Okay, so six is streamline counter space and then seven, I should go back to this seven designated drawer. So I have one drawer that is for makeup and I have one drawer that’s for hair. And it just, I don’t know why it took me so long to get to that designation, but it just did. And then finally, ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (23:15) 

Mmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (23:36) 

I have, it’s a ceramic container that’s round and a little tall, and I keep it on our counter, and I keep ? Clorox wipes in there. So it’s not a Clorox wipe container on my counter. It doesn’t look like that. It’s just a cute container, but I can grab a Clorox wipe and every day I can just wipe down the sink and the countertop. 

  

Tonya Kubo (23:40) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (24:04) 

and it keeps it looking nice, it totally blends in, nobody knows that it’s a cleaner, not that you have to keep that a big secret, but it just looks nice. And instead of having a Clorox container on top of your sink. So here is my question, Tonya, have we missed anything? Anything that we should talk about? 

  

Tonya Kubo (24:12) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Well, I think that the, I’m gonna say two things. I think number one is sometimes it’s an experiment, Kathi. And I think that’s one of the challenges that we run into is we think whatever solution we come up with today has to be the solution for the next 20 years. But to your point, like designating a drawer, I think this is perfect. For a long time, we had, 

  

Kathi Lipp (24:39) 

It totally is. 

  

Right. 

  

Tonya Kubo (24:57) 

Because we do have three drawers that are within easy reach of the toilet. And so we had like the top drawers where we kept the toilet paper. ? Because that made perfect sense for Brian, it made perfect sense for me. You know what though, it didn’t make sense for Abby because Abby wasn’t tall enough to access that. And so the toilet paper went to the bottom drawer. Well, now, you know we have two cats. Guess what? We found. 

  

Kathi Lipp (25:01) 

Mm-hmm. Mm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Tonya Kubo (25:25) 

that the bathroom drawer is actually the perfect place to stock the backup food and treats for the cat. I would have never thought to do that otherwise, but as I was going through rearranging what went in the first, second, third drawer, it was like, ? this actually makes perfect sense for cat stuff. Maybe not forever, but for now. 

  

Kathi Lipp (25:31) 

Nice. Right. No, of course not. 

  

I love that. Yeah, maybe that that’s the perfect sentiment to end this on. Maybe not forever, but for now. We had to do different things to survive when we had six people living in a house with two bathrooms that, you know, shower, shampoo and shine. And now, you know, we can make different choices, but do something for the stage of life you’re in and 

  

Tonya Kubo (25:52) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (26:11) 

Guys, we will put all of the links to everything that we’ve talked about here in our notes. And so if you if there’s something that you feel like could make and we’ll also put some pictures of what it looks like in my house to do some of these things. Tonya, this has been so great and you’ve inspired me with a couple of ideas that I’m going to go try. I love this so much. And friends, thank you for being here. I hope you are also inspired. You’ve been listening to Clutterfree Academy. I’m Kathi Lipp. 

  

Go create the clutter free life you’ve always wanted to live. 

 

 

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Sabbath Soup includes convenient, seasonal meal plans that take the guesswork out of shopping and cooking. More than just a collection of delicious recipes—including main dishes, breads, breakfasts, desserts, salads, sides, and yes, soups—this is your guide to establishing a weekly rhythm and routine of meal planning and prep that allows you to have a true day off.

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Tonya Kubo is the illustrious and fearless leader of Kathi Lipp’s Clutter Free Academy Facebook group and the Clutter Free for Life membership program. A professional community strategist, she believes everyone deserves to have a place online where they feel like they belong. Raised by a hoarder, Tonya knows firsthand the pain and isolation that comes from living in conditions others don’t understand. She wants better for her family and her cluttery peeps, which is why she is passionate about the compassionate slow-and-steady approach that makes Clutter Free unique. She lives in the heart of California with her husband, Brian, their two spirited daughters, and one very tolerant cat. Visit tonyakubo.com to find out more about her community work, or email her at tonya@kathilipp.org to discuss the Clutter Free Academy podcast and programs.

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Kathi Lipp (00:09) 

Well, hey friends, welcome to Clutter-Free Academy, where our goal is to help you take small, doable steps to live every day with less clutter and more life. And we are back talking about that dirty business of laundry, and I am here with Tonya Kubo. ? Tonya, you’re gonna have some extra laundry because you just had a little adventure, didn’t you? 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:31) 

Yes, 

  

I did, I did. We rescued a kitten and ? he is currently cuddled up in lot of dirty towels. 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:39) 

Well, you know what? And I bet he could not be happier. He has a safe place to rest and recover. Cause he was found in a couple of car engines. he is, he’s, I know it’s amazing. Well, you’ll have to keep us updated on this little bambino. So sweet. But let’s talk more about people laundry. So last time we talked about setting up a sustainable laundry routine. 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:49) 

Yes! I’m just so glad he didn’t get hurt! 

  

Yes. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:06) 

Today we’re focusing on keeping that system running smoothly with tips for folding sorting and keeping up when life gets chaotic. ? You know, when we had five adult bodies living at our house, ? the laundry was insane. It has died down a little bit. also don’t have people throwing clean clothes into the laundry. Also, I would say one of the things that has made the 

  

biggest difference for us is on the back end, not having as many clothes. I don’t know why that happens. We’re not wearing less clothing. In fact, we insist on people wearing clothing here at the Red House. We’re big on that. But ? I know that we don’t let it get as piled up because we have our favorites. We like to wear them and we wear them over and over again. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:48) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:03) 

How do you feel like laundry piles up at your house or is it pretty much is the dirty laundry contained in the the garage? Okay, hold on We’re gonna we’re gonna do some counseling here with Tonya. Like I just saw that look come over your face 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:18) 

Yeah, 

  

well the thing is, is because I live with people, back to the past episode, they want to put all the dirty clothes on the floor. Like in their mind, clean clothes go in baskets, dirty clothes go on the floor. So the hallway tends to be where everybody wants to throw their dirty laundry. And I really don’t feel like it’s that much work to put it into a basket and walk it out to the garage. But I seem to be the only person who feels like that’s not a lot of work. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:44) 

You 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:47) 

So yes, that is tough. Laundry does pile up. In fact, that is something we just had a conversation about that we’re solving this weekend. It’s you know, mom finally had to say this is not sustainable. If I have to take over laundry as I do everybody’s laundry, I will because this is very frustrating to me and I need a different system. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:48) 

Yeah. 

  

Hmm. 

  

What the frustration is seeing all the dirty laundry everywhere or not having what you need or what? 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:15) 

Well, it’s the fact that I slip and fall on dirty laundry that’s left in the hallway, especially when I get up in the middle of the night. That’s okay. You know, Kathi, falling at 47 is a whole different ball game than falling when you’re like 11 years old. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:22) 

No, not okay. 

  

It’s a different thing. 

  

my goodness. Yes. And you know what? We also want to be able to get back up. so, yes, absolutely. my goodness. 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:33) 

Mmm 

  

Right. So that 

  

that’s my main frustration. But the other thing is, and I think anybody who has kids understands, they get littler kids, right? They get very attached to a certain outfit. Like they get in their head, they’re going to wear this thing today and nothing else will do. And I’m like, well, then you really should have thought about that yesterday and made sure that thing was clean. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:42) 

Yeah 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:07) 

But I feel like if everything wasn’t on the floor, then it would be easier to establish a 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:15) 

Yeah, I agree. agree. you know, no, no, no, no, we’re a safe space here. And here’s the thing. We know that kids don’t think ahead. You know, most kids, there are some who do. There are some who plan their entire lives. Kimberly was one of those kids. But most kids are just living on a wing and a prayer. But it’s our goal to help raise them into good adults who can start to think ahead and can start to make these choices. 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:18) 

Thank you for letting me rant. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:44) 

Especially you’re in such a busy time right now with your kids have a lot of extracurricular activities We don’t want to be fighting about Laundry. Okay, so I want to talk about folding and can I tell you why I resist folding I resist folding because then he comes the putting away and It’s just it’s it’s a hard thing and it’s gotten better since I have really organized my drawers But I also know ? 

  

I’m going to say something that is going to shock and surprise you. ? Marie Kondo. I am adopting something that she talked about, which is not what I normally, not what you normally hear from me because I don’t really ? love her system for people who are cluttery. If you’re born organized, that system’s gonna work for you. But. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:22) 

Yes. 

  

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

  

I would agree. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:41) 

One thing that she advocated for, and I thought, well, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. And I have now changed my ways. So I’m admitting I was wrong and I was judgy. And here we are. And we shall never speak of it again. But she has a folding technique where it’s not just like folding in half or folding into fourths. It’s folding so that you see kind of the, how do I want to describe this? The bump of the clothes is standing up. And so, 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:09) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:11) 

I have been using that for my sweatshirts and my sweats. I tried it one time, I don’t know, 15 years ago when all this was starting, I’m like, well, this is dumb. But what I’ve learned is my drawers needed dividers so that everything could kind of sit tight in there. And you know what? It really has made a difference. So. 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:20) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:37) 

? I needed more of an explanation back then for it to work. So I got these drawer dividers and I’ll put those in the show notes. But ? those have really made a difference in ? being able to ? pack things in there in a not overwhelming way, but in a tight way. I’m assuming that, well, you’ve told me your family doesn’t believe in folding clothes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:01) 

No, they don’t. only my stuff like my stuff. Brian, if he’s putting away clothes, he’ll just put it in the drawer. He doesn’t fold anything. ? I hang most of my things, though. Just we don’t have to argue about how it’s folded if I just hang it up. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:14) 

Right, okay. 

  

Yeah, ? if you resist folding like I do might I suggest pairing it with something that you love and let me tell you what I love I love crawling into bed with moose and watching something like Downton Abbey or something i’ve watched a hundred times and I fold but I don’t put away that night I fold and I stack everything and I put it back into the basket and then the next morning I’ll put it away and ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:26) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:48) 

But it’s getting done every single day and it makes me super super happy. I don’t have a I don’t have a laundry room that Allows for folding area like you kind of have to squeeze your way in there just to Do it so i’m either folding on my bed and putting it away Or I might be folding at lunchtime and then taking it upstairs and putting it away 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:59) 

Hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:16) 

What is your folding method and area? 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:18) 

So 

  

well Brian likes to dump the laundry on the bed and then fold from there right so that you have to put you have to fold and put away the clothes before you can go to sleep It’s not my favorite. I would rather do it in the living room, you know watching TV I do 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:23) 

Okay. ? 

  

Yes. 

  

No. Yeah, because you go to bed earlier than him, right? 

  

Yeah, so that means you’re putting it away. That makes me sad for you. 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:40) 

I’m putting 

  

it away or it’s getting shoved in a basket so I can go to bed. Neither of which actually makes me happy. But I would rather do it on the couch and just watch TV while I’m doing it. That would make me happy. But yeah, sometimes I’ll just play Spotify like podcast or music when I’m putting clothes away. You’re right though, it’s like pairing it with something fun makes a big difference. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:45) 

Yes. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm 

  

and to come to find out that it really takes just about ten minutes to fold a load of laundry in my brain It takes 45 minutes, you know a business day, you know, like that’s what it takes. Yeah Okay, I want to talk about some realistic storage solutions. So we’ve talked about some of these in other ? Podcasts, but one thing for me that has been 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:11) 

It doesn’t feel like that. 

  

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:32) 

Not life-changing, but laundry changing will say that are the honeycomb dividers that ? I keep my socks. So it looks like a honeycomb and it sits in your drawer ? and it’s just like little cubby holes for socks. And ? that has been, that has been really, really good for me. I mentioned the drawer dividers. Those have been, that’s been really helpful to really section off my drawers in a good way. And then, ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:35) 

Mm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:02) 

Something that’s been important for me, and I think it’s important for other people who live maybe more seasonally than you do in central California, is ? I have a winter wardrobe and I have a summer wardrobe. And yes, there’s some spring and fall that mixes over that, but we use clear ? storage boxes that we put up in our attic with things like ? heavy coats and winter boots and… ? 

  

Pants tend to stay the same, but like big bulky sweaters. So not having everything in my closet all year round. When I lived in San Jose, I had everything in my closet all year round. And we had some snow stuff that we kept in the garage. But living so seasonally like we do, it’s just different here. Do you put anything away in a different area or is it pretty much everything altogether all the time? 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:51) 

Yeah. 

  

Yeah, so I have under the bed storage and I put ? like formal wear, you know, because you use that once every other year. So that’s underneath the bed. And then I do put all the overcoats and ? big bulky sweaters. Those go underneath the bed during the summer months. And then that just frees up some more space in the closet. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:08) 

Right? 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Okay. 

  

I love it. Okay, we’re gonna take a quick commercial break and we’re gonna come back We’re gonna talk about maintaining your your system and troubleshooting But before we go to break, I just saw you check on the kitty everything good Okay, we’re all in this together Tonya I know you don’t have a name there are certain members of your household who don’t even know you have a new cat yet, but 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:34) 

Everything’s good. 

  

Nobody 

  

knows except for Brian. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:47) 

This is amazing. I’m so excited. Okay, we’re gonna take a quick commercial break and we’ll be right back 

  

Okay, guys, ? we want to talk about how do you maintain the system and maybe some troubleshooting along the way. ? One thing I like is I would say about once a month, I’m doing a laundry reset day. Like I am just gathering everything from everywhere. I’m also doing some of the things that maybe have been neglected. Right now, I am washing all the throw blankets in our house. 

  

we have a lot of throw blankets. Roger’s like, do I smell? Why are you doing? I’m like, no, no, no, we’re gonna have company. I want everybody to have a fresh blankie, that kind of thing. So ? also that’s my day to match socks in case, you know, I just have a lingerie bag with ? extra socks and about every six months or so I just start over except for my Bamba socks. I’m still holding out hope that 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:23) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mmm. 

  

? 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:51) 

Someday we will find 

  

those. ? And then something I do that I don’t know that other people do, but maybe they do, is I keep a stain treatment up in my bedroom. So yes, so if I’m getting undressed and there is spaghetti sauce on something, I’m spraying it then. So in case I forget to check everything as it’s going in, that has been. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:04) 

Smart. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:17) 

That’s been a game changer. What detergent do you use? 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:21) 

I use a super bougie powder detergent that I buy online. ? Both me and Lily are very allergic to anything you buy at the store. Even the Arm and Hammer Free and Clear, which they tell you you can wash cloth diapers in, we react to everything. So yeah, we spend a ridiculous amount of money on laundry detergent, but that’s what we do. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:28) 

? 

  

? 

  

Really? Yeah. Yeah. 

  

? 

  

yeah, 

  

that’s fascinating. Okay, I was gonna say we do tide free and clear because Roger also Roger is super sensitive to smell, especially it’s not so much the the rubbing up against him. It’s the smell that will make him sick. And so we just and ? it was really interesting. You know, I love the wire cutter podcast and that’s their number one recommendation. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:54) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:14) 

I’m going to ask you after this podcast to go check the name of that because we’ll have other people here who can’t use detergents and are looking for something. ? So I want to, we’re going to take another quick commercial break. And when we come back, I’m going to give you a couple of recommendations of things that I use that are, I’m really, it’s one, but it’s changed my laundry life. So we’re going to take this quick commercial break and we’ll come right back. 

  

Tonya Kubo (14:22) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:46) 

Okay guys, this is the part of our podcast, things that have earned a place in my clutter free home. And so I’ve got it here on my desk and if you’re watching on video, you can see it here. It is called Miss Mouths, like mouth, messy eater stain treater. Okay, yes, Miss Mouths, messy eater stain treater. And this, I get it on Amazon, I’ll link it in there. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:04) 

I’m writing that down. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:15) 

This is it’s by the hate stains company. But this was developed for people to spray like on their child’s bib or when they got the baby food on there. You know what? It works for grown up food, too. And yeah. And so most of time I’m using just shout or something like that. But I’ve got this bottle of liquid gold that if I’ve got a stain either on something that’s really, really important to me. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:17) 

Hahaha! 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

I love that! 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:45) 

Or something that’s been set in there like I forgot about it. I’m going to spray this on there and I’m going to let it Sit for at least 15 minutes, but this is the one I keep upstairs, too so if I need to ? if I need to treat it and let it set for a while and I have not thrown away a piece of clothing since owning this ? I am in deep mourning right now. You know, I I don’t know if you know this ? 

  

I did my talk on the purple hoodie for day spring last year and they got us all purple hoodies. I got bleach on mine. Yeah, we are, and we’ve already tried to dye it once and there’s still a bleach stain on it. So I’m going and buying more. I’m very depressed about this. but it’s, I, 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:16) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Hmm 

  

we try a purple Sharpie? Or is it not that 

  

color purple? 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:41) 

It might be. I’ll try one on the inside and see how it looks. You know, at this point, it’s not going to get worse. It’s not going to get worse. So, yes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:49) 

Yeah. Can I ask a quick question? Would that get 

  

would that stain remover get blood out? My poor girls, again, allergies, they get nosebleeds in the middle of the night, they will wake up and it looks like a murder scene. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:02) 

Yes, so ? I know for blood you need an enzyme and I believe that this is an enzyme ? stain remover. So I would give it a try. You’re not going to waste your money if you buy this because it’s going to work for something else. ? Like I got it was on a white shirt and I got blueberry on it and I sprayed this on there and it got out. 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:07) 

Hmm. 

  

Okay. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:32) 

So you will get your money’s worth. It’s not cheap, but it’s not crazy either. Okay, so this has been our two part series on laundry, because guys, we have to do it every single day, right? This is what we do. I mean, well, maybe we wear clothes every day. Hopefully we’re not doing laundry every day. But hopefully you’ve picked up at least one tip, because let’s be clear, clothing is expensive. Towels are expensive. 

  

And so if we can save one item, that’s a beautiful thing. If you can have your favorite comfort shirt ready to wear when you need it. And guys, I’ve got a new favorite. I’ll take a picture of it. A new favorite comfort sweatshirt. It’s a squirrel rescue shirt from our friend Susie Flory. Her daughter designed it. And not only. 

  

Does it have the best ? logo on the front? It has little squirrel paw prints on the back. It’s the cutest thing ever, Tonya. It’s the best shirt ever. And I need it to last for a million years. So laundry is very, very important to me because we’ve invested a lot in our clothes. We wanna keep them. ? this is gonna be my last suggestion. If you are feeling overrun by clothes, could you pack away half 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:33) 

? I want one! 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:55) 

quarter of the clothes in your closets in your drawers the ones you wear the least and see if you miss them and if you don’t that may be an idea to be able to say Donate some of those clothes so you don’t have because I just remember being overrun by clothes when my kids were younger and none of us 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:18) 

Thanks for having me, this was a great topic. 

 

 

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Sabbath Soup: Weekly Menus and Rhythms to Make Space for a Day of Rest

Kathi Lipp gives readers an easy-to-follow process for meal planning and prep, so that they can enjoy a full day each week of real rest and refreshment.

Could you use a break from cooking (and everything else) once a week? Not only is rest vital for your mind and body, it’s good for your soul too. God designed us to enter into Sabbath rest one day per week, but as you know, meals still need to be made. Your family still needs to be fed.

Sabbath Soup includes convenient, seasonal meal plans that take the guesswork out of shopping and cooking. More than just a collection of delicious recipes—including main dishes, breads, breakfasts, desserts, salads, sides, and yes, soups—this is your guide to establishing a weekly rhythm and routine of meal planning and prep that allows you to have a true day off.

Do something good for your soul and experience the peace that comes with a full day dedicated to spending time with God, family, and friends. Savor your Sabbath as you proudly proclaim, “Soup’s on!”

Order your copy of Sabbath Soup: Weekly Menus and Rhythms to Make Space for a Day of Rest here.

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Tonya Kubo

Tonya Kubo is the illustrious and fearless leader of Kathi Lipp’s Clutter Free Academy Facebook group and the Clutter Free for Life membership program. A professional community strategist, she believes everyone deserves to have a place online where they feel like they belong. Raised by a hoarder, Tonya knows firsthand the pain and isolation that comes from living in conditions others don’t understand. She wants better for her family and her cluttery peeps, which is why she is passionate about the compassionate slow-and-steady approach that makes Clutter Free unique. She lives in the heart of California with her husband, Brian, their two spirited daughters, and one very tolerant cat. Visit tonyakubo.com to find out more about her community work, or email her at tonya@kathilipp.org to discuss the Clutter Free Academy podcast and programs.

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Transcript

Kathi Lipp (00:10) 

Hey friends, welcome to Clutter Free Academy where our goal is to help you take small doable steps to live every day with less clutter and more life. And guys, we are working on systems throughout this year. And one of the systems that has brought me the most red in my life is let’s all say it together, laundry. And I am so grateful to have Tonya Kubo here. Hey Tonya. 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:34) 

Hey, Kathi. 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:35) 

Well, we are in very, because we’re in very different stages of the laundry life. ? You know, I, I’m in, I’m in delicate and you’re in heavy, you know, sleeping bag. Yes. Yes. And I remember those days well. And I think there are a couple of things that ? have given me laundry trauma in the past. ? A couple of things. One, it. 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:41) 

Yes. 

  

Heavy duty. 

  

Hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:05) 

It is such a stop and go kind of process. You wash, you dry, you fold, you put away, and it never ends. I’ll never forget, I know I’ve mentioned it on here before. One time, I think I was sick or something, and Roger took over laundry for like, I don’t know, like four or five days, and he was so excited that he got everything washed, folded, put away. 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:23) 

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:32) 

and then I took a shower and I put laundry in the hamper. He’s like, it’s not done anymore. I hate when people say welcome to my life, but if there was ever a time I was going to say it, that was going to be the day. Because yes, it’s thankless, it’s never ending. And ? you and I have talked about this before, the fact that my kids used to put folded clean laundry back into the dirty clothes. 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:36) 

Hmm. ? 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:01) 

made me understand why women go to jail. ? now you are not the main laundress in your house, correct? 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:05) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Correct, not at this time, right? We shift depending on work schedules and availability and all of that. But yeah, at this point in time, Brian is the main launderer of the home. ? He has very specific ideas of how clothes should be washed. ? Whereas I more have specific ideas of the whole process. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:35) 

Yes. Yeah. So is he does he do smaller loads because all the the certain colors go together or something like that? 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:44) 

No, he doesn’t do smaller loads. ? It’s more about what outfits should be available on which days. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:52) 

? interesting, okay. 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:54) 

Right? 

  

So it’s like, you know, he knows what he wants to wear for work. And so he knows what day the work clothes need to get washed. He also has a better read on like when the towels need to get washed based on the certain people who take two showers a day, the people who take one shower every time they get forced to take a shower and everybody else who falls in between. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:16) 

Yes. Okay. So according to you, not Brian, we’re leaving Brian out of this right now. But according to you, what is the most painful thing about laundry in your house? 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:21) 

Okay. 

  

So the most painful thing about laundry in my house is that everybody aside from me likes to live out of baskets. And I get mixed up and I’ll own this, right? I can never tell the clean basket from the dirty basket. They all know the clean basket from the dirty basket, but I don’t. And so I end up putting dirty laundry on top of clean laundry. Now the rest of them will tell you dirty laundry belongs in a pile on the floor. Duh. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:45) 

Right. 

  

Mercy, have mercy. 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:58) 

Only clean 

  

clothes belong in baskets. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:01) 

Yes. And if this was a different podcast, what they’d say is, well, your dirty clothes go into a colored basket and your clean clothes go into a, but that’s not, that’s not the vibe here. Like I don’t want 75 different baskets for the different stages. We have, we have two baskets because we, well, and that’s not because we have two people. have the basket that the dirty clothes has gone down in and then 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:14) 

No! 

  

Yes. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:29) 

that next basket goes in there. One is always on a different floor. But they’re transporting clean and dirty clothes. Yeah, for me, is, ? I think historically, and I feel like I’m doing better with this now, but it’s taken more work than I feel like it deserved, is putting things away. Like, 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:35) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:56) 

I don’t like to put things away because if my drawers are too full, I feel like I have conquered that for the most part, okay, we never bag on Brian around here because we love Brian. Brian is one of our favorite people. Brian is up there in the Cannon Halls. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:03) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

No, we love Brian. He does so much. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:16) 

of good husbands like Roger. But I’m going to give you a pass today and tell me why his laundry system is insane. Now, first of all, he gets to have his own laundry system because he does the laundry. And you and I agree on that. The person who does the chore gets to do it. But I also believe in a minimum standard of care. And maybe you guys disagree on what the minimum standard of care is. So. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:28) 

Mm-hmm. Yup. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:43) 

If you could boss Brian around, how would you tell him to do laundry? 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:47) 

Well, I would tell him not to put a load in the wash if he doesn’t have the time or the energy to see it all the way through to putting it away. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:57) 

? okay. Does it sometimes get stuck in the wash and start to smell and have to be redone? Not that that’s ever happened at my house. I don’t even know. I’ve just heard tell tales. 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:03) 

frequently. 

  

Right, well, we have like, it’s a twofold problem. It’s not just the forgetful part. It’s the fact that our washer and dryer is in the garage and we live in the central Valley of California, which gets hotter than Hades in the summer. So it’s like, if you in our warmer months, if you don’t switch over that laundry by the end of the day, it will have already soured because it’s just baking in the washer. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:16) 

Mmm, hot, yes. 

  

Tonya, I happen to know that in the winter, I can leave things in the washing machine for up to 26 hours and it’s gonna be fine. In the summer, I have about 12 hours and then it has to be done again. Like I know this down to a science, I understand this. But yeah, and I hate when we have to re-wash things because it’s a waste of water, it’s a waste of soap, it’s a waste of time, it’s a waste of energy, blah, blah, blah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:45) 

Yeah 

  

Yeah. Right. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. Yeah, so for me, it’s, mean, things get stuck in the wash. They get stuck in, they get left in the dryer, right? If there’s not a load behind it, oftentimes that last load gets stuck in the dryer. But more than anything, it’s just that the clothes get carried into the house and just left. And I would rather say, you know what, we’re only washing one load of laundry today, but that laundry is gonna make it from the washer to the dryer and from the dryer to being put in drawers or in the closet. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:00) 

It makes me crazy. 

  

Yeah, I agree. And I know that can’t happen every day for every household. But I think it takes if we all take a moment and say, OK, what is the part of this that’s driving us nuts? I think that that is really helpful to get us to some solution. Hopefully we’ll have ? we’ll have some ideas. Now, I also I am I like to laundry dangerously. ? I I. 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:53) 

Hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:55) 

I don’t sort it into a ton of different loads. Like I wash nice shirts in one loads, whites in another, and then it’s pretty much just survival of the fittest for everything else. And I know people that would make them crazy. ? And so if you’re doing a lot of little loads, that can be exhausting too. Okay, we’re gonna take a quick commercial break and we’re gonna come back. 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:07) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:21) 

and we’re gonna come up with some ideas that might be able to help you actually get through your laundry. So stay with us. 

  

Okay, friends, I want to talk about maybe a little bit of a mind shift when it comes to laundry. And this has been really, this has been helpful to me that we can look at laundry as a chore. Or what I’ve said is this is part of managing my life. Like if I want to have the clothes available that I want to have, then I need to this is part of my system. And one thing that has helped me 

  

Now I have the luxury of working from home. Not everybody does. want so you have to find your own timing on this. But one thing I have started to do is I go downstairs at about nine thirty every day and I’m like, what do we need to push forward? So that may be starting ? a load of laundry. That may be throwing some dishes in the dishwasher. That may be pulling something out to defrost for dinner. 

  

Like that has been so helpful to me. And then if I get the laundry started, either I’m starting the laundry first thing in the morning or at that nine, nine 30 timing, then at lunchtime I can throw things into the dryer and I’m downstairs. I can grab the shirts out that I don’t want to be wrinkled, that kind of thing. How often are you guys doing laundry time? 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:56) 

like two, three days a week. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:01) 

Okay. that’s I find that very impressive that that’s all you’re doing. Because I feel like we’re doing so I I feel like there’s always something going on here at the house. And maybe that’s just because we’re Yeah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:13) 

Yeah. 

  

I mean, for us, it’s, you we have to do towels. We don’t have enough towels, right, to only do towels once a week. So towels have to be washed twice a week. ? Lily does her own laundry, but all of her clothes are one load. That’s it. And so she does that once a week. And then, you know, for me, Brian and Abby, Brian likes to do three loads on a Saturday. Like that’s his ideal. That’s not my ideal. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:19) 

Okay. ? 

  

Okay. 

  

Okay. 

  

Yeah. Okay. I see. So you’re doing multiple loads in a day necessary, you know, so to necessitate all that. 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:49) 

Yeah, we’re three loads. Like, Brian likes to knock out three loads in one day on the weekend for the next week. And then it’s usually two loads midweek. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:59) 

Okay, okay. Yeah, okay. That seems reasonable. ? And you’re out in the garage. So you’ve got all your laundry stuff out there. Are you sorting before it goes to the garage? Are you sorting in the garage? 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:13) 

I would sort before it goes to the garage. Like I sort in the basket, right, that I carry out. But when the next person just dumps the basket out into a pile on the floor, they like to just pick from the pile and decide what they’re gonna make into each load. Except for Lily, because again, Lily does her own stuff, so it’s all in one basket. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:15) 

You 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

I have- 

  

Yeah, I have to admit I’m a pile picker. am. Now here’s the thing though, right next to our laundry room is a bathroom that doesn’t have to be used. So I can just, I’ve got all this space. So that actually works for us. ? Does each member of your family have its own laundry basket? 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:43) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

No, Lily has her own because she does her own laundry, but because all the other laundry gets done communally, we all just, well, and I have all white baskets. 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:00) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah. So guys, I wanted to give you just a couple of ideas of things that worked for me when I had kids at home and some of the things I still do. So one thing that has been very helpful to us is we have all white towels. Like all the towels in the house are white no matter what room they go into. And so that’s been very useful so that we’re not having to do smaller loads of different colored towels, that kind of thing. 

  

Another thing that has been very, very helpful is if you have, especially new items of clothing, instead of like separating those out and doing things, there are things called shout color catchers and I’ll put a link to those. love, do you use those Tonya? Okay. I love them. Okay. Especially like if you’ve got new jeans or something like that or anything red, a new t-shirt. 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:46) 

Mmm, yeah. 

  

I’ve heard of them, but I have yet to try them. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:03) 

Anything that can bleed and Yeah, here’s also a tip if you use a color catcher and No, dye goes on to that color catcher. I’ve been known to use that color catcher multiple times So just a little tip from my household to you yours now. This is the other thing that I will say ? In the spirit of Lily and all of my kids teach your kids young how to do laundry 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:04) 

Like bleed? 

  

Huh? 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:32) 

? What we did was we had one day assigned to each kid that they could do laundry on that day. So they would have to get up before school, get it started. But I didn’t touch anything on that day. And so we had three kids living at home at the same time. So say like Justin had Monday, Jeremy had Wednesday, and Kimberly had Thursday. That gave me Tuesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday to do the rest of the household. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:37) 

Mm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:02) 

But they had to be done with it. They had to be done. And if they weren’t, ? I will admit to one time putting wet clothes on Justin’s bed because this maybe was the fifth time it had happened. ? I’m a nicer mom than that now, but yes. But here’s what I want to say about that is when Kimberly, and I’m sure I’ve told this story too, when Kimberly went to college, ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (14:04) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:28) 

Nobody on her floor knew how to do laundry. I was shocked and people paid her to teach them her how to do laundry. That was her side hustle her freshman year of college. I just love it. It was it’s hilarious. So it the sooner you can make your kids responsible for laundry, the better it’s going to pay off. At what point do you think Abby will start to take over her laundry? 

  

Tonya Kubo (14:31) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

I don’t know because Lily was the one who came to us wanting to know, right? It was, yeah, she was 10 and ? she was just like, ? so now she asked to know how to wash and dry her work and I showed her and she was like, so could I just wash my own clothes? And I said, well, you don’t have to like mom can do that. And she was like, but could I? And she loved the control. And so she’s been washing her clothes ever since she was 10. When Abby turned 10, we tried that. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:58) 

That’s right! 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:25) 

Abby respectfully declined. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:27) 

Yes. 

  

You know what? And kids to have different capabilities. Absolutely. so, yeah, it took my boys longer to figure it out than Kimberly, who I think was, I think she was probably around 12 when she started. But I also had the rule growing up that ? if you were sick enough to stay home, but you were well enough to watch TV, you could fold clothes. And so. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:39) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

? 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:58) 

That’s how they earned, it was mostly price is, right? And cartoons at that point. Yeah, so that, I felt like that that was, my goodness, right? It’s the best thing ever. Okay, so a couple of other things, ? a couple of items that I wanna talk about that we’re going to use. But I think the most important thing, and we’re gonna talk a little bit about this in the next episode too, is ? why do we all fall down when it comes to putting clothes away? 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:04) 

I used to love the price is right when I was sick. 

  

you 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:28) 

And 

  

I think it’s just we have too many clothes for the drawers and the closets that we have. So we’re gonna talk a little bit about that too. When we come back, I’m gonna mention a couple of things that I love that helped me do laundry. These are things that have earned a place in my clutter free home. So give us a second, we’ll be right back. 

  

Okay, guys, we are back and I just want to talk about a couple of items that I love for doing laundry. We again, live out in the country and our PG &E, which is our energy company, our bill is insane. I don’t know why we have been trying to figure this out for a really long time. And so one of the things I do, especially in the summer months is everything gets dried outside. And so I have… 

  

a folding drying rack that it looks like butterfly wings to assert, or maybe fly wings is more like it. But it opens up, you can hang things from it. I’ll add a picture to our notes, but that has been incredibly helpful to us to be able to cut down on drying, especially in the summer. I don’t mind so much in the winter just because we like the heat in the house. 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:47) 

Right. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:49) 

That has been incredibly helpful to me. Also, ? teach your kids young to use lingerie bags. So if they have sweaters, if their socks keep getting lost ? for delicate things like bras or sports bras, those kind of things, we love a good ? sweater bag or lingerie bag. I like a sweater bag because it’s really big and you can throw a bunch of things in it. 

  

and Tonya, I’m gonna ask you in a second. Is there anything that you use that has been really really helpful when it comes to laundry? I’m gonna mention my third thing which is a Clorox bleach pit ? This has been really helpful for ? Just like random spots on towels and things like that. I just dab it on there I let it set for a little bit and then Throw it in with my whites and it takes care of every single stain 

  

anything that you use that you really love. 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:48) 

I love, so I’m just gonna second the mesh bag. ? I have two. I also have one for clothes that do not go into the dryer. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:51) 

Yes. 

  

? okay. 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:59) 

So that’s my pro tip 

  

because I’m not the person who does all the laundry all the time. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:03) 

Okay, so what you’re doing is you’re putting whatever you don’t want to go into a dryer into a different colored lingerie bag. And so that’s Brian’s indication. Do not put this in the dryer. Okay, I just have to know what color is it? 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:16) 

Yes. 

  

it’s like pink. mean, it was I got it at the dollar store, right? So our regular one is. Yeah, so we’ve got a pink one, we got a white one. ? I think before I had the pink one, I had a blue one. But the main thing is just do not dry this respectfully, of course. So that’s a big one for me. White vinegar. I know it sounds basic. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:21) 

Yeah, I know, but I just think it’s fun to picture it. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:41) 

But if you have a historical problem of leaving laundry in a little longer than it should be, know, once it gets mixed in with everything else, like your whole closet smells sour. So just, you know, going like a cup of vinegar in the wash, that just kind of solves all of it for us. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:51) 

It’s so bad. 

  

So wait, wait, 

  

wait, hold on, hold on. ? This is a new tip for me. So you’ve left some clothes in there a little too long. And instead of re-washing them with soap, ? whatever your soap is, you’re just throwing vinegar in there and rinsing them and. 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:07) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

So I do vinegar with the soap, what they say is, what I’ve heard, I do not know if this is true, but they say a lot of times if you rewash it with soap, the soap, like whatever residual stuff from the soap will lock in that smell. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:22) 

Got it, okay. 

  

? interesting. 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:36) 

So we do the vinegar and the vinegar seems to pull it out. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:38) 

? 

  

okay, that’s really good to know. Okay guys learning new things here every single day at clutter free Academy Okay, come back next week because we’re gonna cover folding storing and Maintaining a laundry system that works you’ve been listening to clutter free Academy I’m Kathi Lipp now go create the clutter free life. You’ve always wanted to live 

 

 

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In this engaging episode of Clutter Free Academy, hosts Kathi Lipp and Tonya Kubo dive into the dynamic world of dishwashing, sharing secrets to establish a daily rhythm that keeps kitchen chaos at bay. Listen in as Kathi reveals her tried-and-true methods for optimizing dishwasher efficiency, maintaining the appliance, and involving the whole family in the process. If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by piles of dirty dishes or uncertain about how to best utilize your dishwasher, this episode is your solution. Discover the power of routine and effective strategies to keep your kitchen environment serene and functional. Be sure to stick around after the dishwasher fun for a quick conversation with author Barb Roose about her new Bible study in the book of Matthew that focuses on prayer!

 

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Kathi Lipp gives readers an easy-to-follow process for meal planning and prep, so that they can enjoy a full day each week of real rest and refreshment.

Could you use a break from cooking (and everything else) once a week? Not only is rest vital for your mind and body, it’s good for your soul too. God designed us to enter into Sabbath rest one day per week, but as you know, meals still need to be made. Your family still needs to be fed.

Sabbath Soup includes convenient, seasonal meal plans that take the guesswork out of shopping and cooking. More than just a collection of delicious recipes—including main dishes, breads, breakfasts, desserts, salads, sides, and yes, soups—this is your guide to establishing a weekly rhythm and routine of meal planning and prep that allows you to have a true day off.

Do something good for your soul and experience the peace that comes with a full day dedicated to spending time with God, family, and friends. Savor your Sabbath as you proudly proclaim, “Soup’s on!”

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Tonya Kubo

Tonya Kubo is the illustrious and fearless leader of Kathi Lipp’s Clutter Free Academy Facebook group and the Clutter Free for Life membership program. A professional community strategist, she believes everyone deserves to have a place online where they feel like they belong. Raised by a hoarder, Tonya knows firsthand the pain and isolation that comes from living in conditions others don’t understand. She wants better for her family and her cluttery peeps, which is why she is passionate about the compassionate slow-and-steady approach that makes Clutter Free unique. She lives in the heart of California with her husband, Brian, their two spirited daughters, and one very tolerant cat. Visit tonyakubo.com to find out more about her community work, or email her at tonya@kathilipp.org to discuss the Clutter Free Academy podcast and programs.

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Barb Roose

Barb Roose is an established author, a speaker at national women’s conferences, and a regular contributor to (in)courage, Crosswalk, and iBelieve. She has written six Bible studies, including Matthew: Pray Like This, Surrendered: Letting God and Living Like Jesus, and Joshua: Winning the Worry Battle plus Finding Jesus in the Psalms and Three other books. She is the host of Bold, Brave & Beautiful podcast. Barb, also serves as a teaching pastor at her home church, CedarCreek Church, with more than 6,000 in weekly attendance. The proud mother of three adult kids, an Army Captain, preschool teacher and NICU Nurse, Barb loves reading and walking. Whenever possible, she prefers to eat dessert first. You can find what Barb is currently up to here.

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Transcript

Kathi Lipp (00:08) 

Well, hey friends, welcome to Clutter Free Academy where our goal is to help you take small doable steps every day to live with less clutter and more life. And I am here with my consummate co-host, is Tonya Kubo. Hey, Tonya. ? Now, I know you have four people living at your house. How are dishes for you guys? 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:23) 

Hey, Kathi 

  

? like you would expect with four people living in my house, but at least we have a dishwasher. Not everybody does. 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:37) 

Right, 

  

isn’t that it is such I I probably spent five years doing Dishes by hand and so I well, I hate doing dishes I am one of those people that is super super grateful for that dishwasher every single day I think part of my problem for so many years was not having a rhythm. It was like, okay, I would 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:45) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:03) 

put off doing dishes as long as possible. I think one of things that I used to think deeply was I couldn’t run the dishwasher until every little bit of it was full. And that would mean, you if we went to bed and there were still spaces for a few glasses, I wouldn’t do the dishes and then we’d have breakfast dishes. And then it always felt like I was behind and I hated that feeling. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:06) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:31) 

I can imagine, now who’s the chief dishwasher in your house? 

  

Tonya Kubo (01:36) 

So it has historically always been Brian, but we’ve been, you know, the girls are older. We try to split chores with them. So we had a beautiful system when it was just Brian. We had a pretty good system when it was Brian and Lily, but now it’s Brian, Lily and Abby doing different components. And I really feel like I know that we will be grateful for this later, but right now it just feels like too many cooks in the kitchen. And I mean that pun in every bit. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:47) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yes. 

  

Yeah, 

  

it’s painful. And I know a lot of people are like, well, it’s just easier to do it myself. It is easier now, agreed. And there will come a day when you’ll be really, really grateful that you raised competent adults who, even though they may not do things perfectly, know how to do them and know the expectation is them. So good job, mom. Good job, dad Brian. We love it. Okay, so today we want to cover setting 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:11) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:34) 

of a daily dish rhythm, maintaining your dishwasher and getting optimal results because I, for years and years and years, I didn’t know that there was a way to maintain your dishwasher. I thought it was either working or not working. Those were the, you it was very binary. And I now know that there are some things that we can do to make it last longer and make it run more effectively. So I want to talk about that. I 

  

Tonya Kubo (02:36) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:02) 

Our daily dish routine looks a little bit like this. We usually are unloading in the morning and then filling up during the day. And depending on whether I’m cooking or not, we want run it once or twice. Does that look very different from what you guys do? 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:23) 

No, I would say ? it’s about the same, but sometimes I would say probably two to three days a week, I’ve got to run it twice in a single day. Just, yeah, well, and there’s more humans here. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:31) 

Yeah, yeah big cooking days. Yeah Yep, 

  

absolutely. my goodness for sure. Yeah, anytime I’m cooking it’s going to be a you know, and sometimes I’m cook sometimes, you know, we have Leftovers from when I cook we have a lot more leftovers than most people because it’s just the two of us. So ? Those are don’t be tend to be heavy dish days, but I I think it’s really really important 

  

to say, okay, dishes are just a part of life. We need to figure out a routine for them. And we need to make sure that everybody in the house is sticking to the ideal. It’s not the perfect, but ideal for what our house can actually do. So unless you are single and eating a lot of takeout, you’re probably going to be needing to do one load a day. ? 

  

I think, for us, we never get away with not doing dishes in the day. That just is not how we run. And so if I just say, OK, dishes have to be there every single day. And then ? do you guys have any rules for people bringing dishes to the sink? 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:35) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Well, sure, doesn’t mean anybody follows them, Kathi, ? 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:51) 

Okay, sure, sure, sure, yes. I understand 

  

that deeply too. What? Yeah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:56) 

Yeah, you know, it’s the teenager thing. 

  

But for us, you’re supposed to bring, the rule is you bring your dish into the sink, you rinse it out and it goes on the left side. Once it’s rinsed out on the right side of the sink, it’s then put on the left side of the sink. I prefer the dishes to go into the sink. Brian prefers them to be on the counter next to the sink. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:11) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

? interesting. Okay. Yeah, I think next to the side of the sink would kill me. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:26) 

Yep, yep, not gonna say you’re wrong there. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:26) 

Yeah. Yeah. 

  

You can always tell when a blood Lipp is living here, whether it’s Roger or one of his kids, because they put drinks unthrown out. Yeah, they don’t drain the cup. They put it next to the sink. And like, why? Why? 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:37) 

Yeah 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:52) 

Why am I, why are you waiting for somebody else to dump out your Starbucks cup? I don’t understand that. You’re killing me. Now, one thing I have heard is, you know, some people like they load right after each meal or snack. That’s what we tend to do as well. But then I thought this was interesting. One of my friends says that she uses a small bin. I don’t know if it’s on the counter or if it’s 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:58) 

hahahaha 

  

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:21) 

suction to the inside of the sink where she puts cutlery ? until it’s ready to go into the dishwasher. So I find that fascinating as well. I don’t necessarily see the advantage, but I’ve heard of a couple of people who are doing that. So ? do you stay in the kitchen while Roger, ? Roger, I’ve now married you off to my husband. Hope that’s okay. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (06:27) 

Mmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Brian might have a complaint or two, but you know. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:51) 

You know, if you’re going to be married off, he might have a complaint, but 

  

you know what? You know, if I if I have to give you something of mine, that’s not a bad deal. ? I tend to stay in the kitchen and put things away while Roger’s doing the dishes. Are you guys separate or are you like body doubling by working in there together? 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:08) 

Hmm. 

  

Yeah, so Brian doesn’t want anybody in the kitchen when he’s in the kitchen. Absolutely not. He like, no, that’s not okay. But the girls and I will will tag team because I find for them they feel, you know, it feels like less of a chore if we’re all doing something together. Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:16) 

? okay. 

  

That’s how I feel too. Yeah, like it’s 

  

not woe is me, here I am, know, Cinderella. 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:34) 

Yeah, but 

  

like if you came over to my house and I was cooking dinner, I wouldn’t want you to help me cook dinner, but I would want you to sit at the table and chat with me while I cooked. Like that’s fun for me. But Brian is just like, ? I’m sure there’s another room in this house you can be in. And I’m like, okay. 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:42) 

That’s all I need. Yes. Yes. 

  

Okay. Good to know, Brian. Okay. 

  

Yeah. So Roger, like he loves to barbecue because people will come out and talk to him. But if somebody makes a suggestion on how to barbecue. No, not okay. ? Okay. Yeah. I love going to bed knowing the dishes are done. Like there’s a clean slate, we’re starting the day off well. And we do a delay setting on our dishwasher. So it’s running at 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:59) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-mm. 

  

Mmm, yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:18) 

like two in the morning because what that does is it’s not using energy during peak hours. So we’re delaying it by like, you know, four hours because we’re probably he’s probably putting the last things in at around 10 o’clock at night. And that seems to really, really help. ? I do believe as kids get older, a couple of different things. One, 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:20) 

oooo 

  

you 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:48) 

I believe that everybody should at least be responsible for scraping off their plates. I don’t want to scrape off your food when you’re 17 years old. 

  

Tonya Kubo (08:57) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

No, and honestly if your kids go to preschool they have to do it there. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:04) 

Right exactly 

  

You have you seen these videos of the japanese preschools? Where my goodness you guys if you haven’t seen it i’ll see if they’re first of all, they’re the cutest kids in the entire world and They are all scraping off their own thing. They’re all using cleaner to wipe down their tables. They’re they’re sweeping the floors i’m like ? Yeah, had I I wish I would have seen that earlier because I don’t think I believe that my kids were capable of that but now 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:11) 

Yes. 

  

Those kids are so cute. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:34) 

They are they were they they’ve always been okay guys We’re gonna take a quick break, and then I want to come back and talk about Maintaining your dishwasher just a couple of things you might not have thought about because I didn’t grow up this way So maybe you didn’t grow up this way. I used to always think I didn’t grow up this way I was the only one and I’ve come to find out it’s much more universal than that right So we’re gonna give you a couple of different things that you can think about 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:57) 

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:03) 

and we will be right back. 

  

Okay, guys, we have talked about loading and unloading your dishwasher. I will say one other thing that has changed our dishwasher unloading, Tonya, is we got a kitchen island. You know, I don’t know, maybe six, eight months ago. Maybe it’s been longer than that. Well, yeah, anyway. And one thing I love about it is when we’re unloading the dishes, we can stack them there and then just go. 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:17) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:36) 

to where the dishes go, or go to where the plates are. I love it so, so much. ? Okay, but I wanna talk about maintaining your dishwasher. A couple of things to think about. One, ? a weekly quick clean. Now, I don’t necessarily do this weekly, but one thing I do is I peek in there at least once a week and just check the filter. 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:54) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:00) 

Does around the filter start to look gunky? Is there paper on there from like a jar or something like that? So I will pull that out every once in a while. And then I’ll just kind of look at the seals around the door. I check it every week. I don’t clean it every week. I’m not going to clean something that doesn’t look dirty. Life is not that boring for me. But once I’ve done that, it makes me feel so much better about knowing that it’s going to run well. 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:01) 

Mmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah ? 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:30) 

? and then monthly couple of different things one we use ? finish in our our dishwasher just to You know, it’s that final rinse that is really really good in addition do you use anything like that? 

  

Tonya Kubo (11:50) 

No, no, we’ll use vinegar in the dishwasher every now and then. We have horrible hard water. And so a lot of times those ? rinse aids and cleaning agents actually just increase the mineral deposits. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:54) 

Okay. 

  

Uhhh, yeah. 

  

Mmm, okay. Yeah, it just doesn’t work for you. Okay. Now I do want to talk about glisten Glisten is a dishwasher cleaner. So look I’m going to try to describe it for our listeners at home It’s just like a plastic bottle, but you take the lid off and it has a wax seal in the in there because you want this for the last cycle that heating cycle of your dishwasher 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:09) 

now 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:35) 

So that wax melts in there and it’s perfectly safe for your dishwasher. But what it does is it gives a deep clean to your entire dishwasher. So I don’t know that I’ve ever talked about it on here. You’ll remember if I have because you have a much better memory than I do. But Roger and I have a tub that we call the once a month tub. And okay, so I’ve talked about it. These are things we want to do once a month in our house. So this is stuff like 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:47) 

Nice. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:05) 

cleaning, deep cleaning that dishwasher, changing out the baking soda in our refrigerator, Moose’s ? tick and flea treatment, water filters, because we have very healthy water, but terrible tasting water. So we put these, ? these glisten bottles, we buy them three at a time, we put them into that box. And when I’m down to the last one, I order some for the next month. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:27) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:33) 

And we just go around the house and we put our plant fertilizer. So it’s something that we want to do once a month or approximately once a month. And it just, we don’t have to remember to do it. We just do it. And so that’s been really helpful for us. Another thing to think about is yeah, running a cycle of the dishwasher with a dishwasher cleaner or a cup of white vinegar. White vinegar is a miracle, isn’t it? It’s just a miracle. Yeah. Yeah. 

  

Tonya Kubo (13:33) 

Hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

I feel like it is, I feel like it is. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:03) 

So ? we just have very tough water up here. So that’s why we tend to use this glisten stuff ? You also want to check the spray arms. So again, I’m not like ? it’s once a month. Let’s check our dishwasher I’m much more loosey goosey than that But if things are coming out of the dishwasher and I’m not liking how they’re looking These are the things I do. So I’ll run the I’ll run an extra cycle with some vinegar 

  

Tonya Kubo (14:26) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:32) 

I’ll check the spray arms for debris. I’ll check in the utensil tray and racks as needed. then you can, know, yearly maintenance. If you need to research for your brand, what your brand suggests. If you have some hard water buildup in there, I’m not going to suggest it because I don’t want to know, but also check hoses for leaks and cracks. If you’re not getting the performance that you want to. 

  

And then I want to talk about loading your dishwasher because that can really affect the performance. I will also link ? the episode of ? Wirecutter, yes, to this, their whole dishwasher episode and the brands that I, we just like, we like the ? Cascade Extra. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:01) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Wire cutter. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:26) 

That’s the brand that we really, really, really like for our actual dishwasher. But they also go through with about different kinds that, you know, for your dishwasher might be good. But give dishes spaces so water can get in between there. Use designated areas for specific items. So you want plates where the plates are supposed to go. Bowls, cutlery, glasses. 

  

Tonya Kubo (15:27) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:53) 

Check to see if you have a wine glass arm all those kind of things and then ? powders gels and pods What we were told by a dishwasher repairman is never use a gel I It he says When I am repairing I always see under their sink what they’re using and it tends to be gels that where their dishwasher has run down worse 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:06) 

Mm-hmm. Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:21) 

Now we use the pods, which is a gel powder combo. you know, so far we’ve had great results, but that’s just something I’ve heard about. Do you do anything to mitigate the water hardness or is you just have to live with it? 

  

Tonya Kubo (16:26) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, we have a magnet thing that goes inside the dishwasher. And so that’s supposed to help the deposits not form. ? But pretty much everybody in my neighborhood replaces their dishwasher every three years. Or they’ve just decided that they don’t need a dishwasher. And yeah, and we can’t use powder because it’ll etch our glasses. Like anything that’s glass gets etched with the powder. 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:47) 

Okay. 

  

Really? 

  

Wow, that is serious. 

  

Wow. 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:07) 

We can’t use pods because the hard water mineral deposits build up so quickly that the pods won’t dissolve. Every now and then I’m just like, well, maybe we just skip the dishwasher and we’ll just put another cabinet there. And Brian’s like, or maybe we move. And I’ll say, maybe what we need to do is get like a water treatment system because we need something that’s a little bit more than a softener. And he’s like, or how about we move? 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:22) 

Yeah! 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:32) 

? so I’ve just stopped making suggestions cause Brian seems to think there’s only one solution, which involves me moving and I don’t like. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:34) 

Yeah 

  

No, you’ve pretty much stated you want to die in this house. So can I tell you the most interesting thing I learned from the wire cutter episode on dishwashers? 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:51) 

I wanna hear it. 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:52) 

You do not want to clean your dish too much before it goes into the dishwasher. 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:02) 

Okay, I need to know why, because I do not believe them. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:03) 

don’t really understand 

  

the science behind it, but they said that your dishes need something, your detergent needs something to grab onto. And so you don’t want things that are caked on there. Like you don’t want to put your eggy dish that has been sitting in the sink overnight in there because that’s too much for almost any dishwasher, or detergent. 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:14) 

Hmm 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:32) 

It doesn’t want to have to be perfectly clean. So I’ve I have lowered my standards Thank you very much wire cutter and I feel like I’m getting even better results So it may all be psychosomatic. You know what, but don’t don’t yuck my yum. Okay? ? The other thing that’s really important is hot water if you’re not getting the results you need 

  

Tonya Kubo (18:45) 

Nice. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:57) 

One of the things you may have to do is run the hot water and again, this may be like well duh, Kathi to everybody else I did not grow up knowing this so now I know right or Maybe this is something my mom did and I didn’t realize it but you have to run the hot water for a while and even we have found even if we run the hot water at 10 o’clock and then we set the dishwasher for two It seems to be fine. So ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:12) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:27) 

And then most of us are going to need a rinse aid of some kind, the finish or something like that. ? Create a daily rhythm, Maintain your dishwasher. Don’t overcrowd it. And then check with your manufacturer to see if there are any extra tips. You don’t have to have the user’s manual. You can go online and look and see what that is. ? 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:31) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:53) 

Is there anything you’re going to do differently, Tonya, because of today? 

  

Tonya Kubo (19:58) 

you know what? think one thing that I’m going to do differently, aside from making sure that I run the hot water, cause that’s brilliant. But I think that I am going to do more about checking those cleaning arms. Cause I am good about checking the bottom of the dishwasher. That’s where my filter is. But I only think about the cleaning arms when it’s not working. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:05) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, great. 

  

Mmm, okay, and I We do have a very sophisticated water filtration system, but I still want to find out about your magnet So we’re gonna we’re gonna put that in the show notes because I think that that might be something that would be really really helpful to us guys I want you to just think through your routine Is there something you could be doing that is going to help you out? And by the way guys, we’re gonna be doing some more 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:26) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:46) 

System spotlights. That’s what we did today system spotlight about your dishes ? in a few weeks We’re gonna be doing laundry. So yeah that I’m excited. That’s a two-parter Tonya It’s too much information to contain in one episode. So You guys are going to love it. Okay guys, we will be back in just a minute We’re gonna take a quick commercial break and then I’m gonna share with you ? this week’s 

  

It has earned a place in my clutter free home. You’re not going to want to miss this episode. 

 

*PART TWO* 

 

Kathi Lipp (00:00) 

Hey friends, we are back. We are back. this is, this is my new favorite series. Things that have earned a place in my home. Because as you guys know, not everything that I want actually earns a place in my home. 

  

So in order for it to not become clutter. It has to be something I love I use or would buy again and I’ve got a Three hit I’ve got this one checks all three It’s called Matthew pray like this and it’s by my friend Barb Roose and so I want to discuss it today because we’ve got Barb here and Barb 

  

Welcome back to the program. I’m so glad to have you’re a frequent flyer here on clutter free academy And i’m so grateful to have you back 

  

Barb (00:53) 

I love coming back and we’ve only been on here for like 15 seconds and I’m already taking notes on what you just said. 

  

Kathi Lipp (01:02) 

my goodness, but it’s so true. Okay, so let me tell you why this is be why I’m saying this like I am because I will tell you my prayer life There’s been a lot of stops and starts recently I’m just in a space where prayer and I’ve been here before and here’s the thing God is so gracious and I know I’m going to get out of that space and it’s going to be okay and 

  

And I have to remember that God doesn’t leave me anywhere for a long time. But prayer has been hard recently, and then I get this book and I’m like, well, all right, OK, so God’s giving me a little tool for this time in my life. So I feel like we’ve all had I don’t want to speak for other people, but I feel like we’ve all had these moments when we’re like prayer isn’t working. I don’t even know what to pray. 

  

I think there’s been a lot going on in my life in my world where I just like kind of hold throw up my hands I’m saying God I don’t even know where to start so I would love to hear from you why why this book why now and What? What do you say to those of us who have been struggling? 

  

Barb (02:24) 

Well, I, first of all, what you just shared about where your prayer journey is at right now, it has either created this exhale for listeners who are like, that’s where I felt like I’m at. Cause they have been struggling and they want to pray and know that they should pray. And for a variety of reasons, it just hasn’t looked like how they wanted to. So thank you. Because I think more people are there than not. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:38) 

Hmm. 

  

Barb (02:51) 

because prayer is this conversation with God. The barrier always has been that we can’t see God, he’s not showing up, we don’t have like this face-to-face, and so there’s so much in life that can happen. A quote that’s meant a lot to me is a Cory Ten Boom quote. She said, prayer, your steering wheel or your spare tire. And yeah, and so there have been many seasons of my life. This Bible study actually is so wild to me. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:07) 

Mmm. 

  

yeah. 

  

Barb (03:20) 

because prayer was mostly a spare tire for me. I grew up as a Christian. I knew something about prayer because of how I was taught, but my mentality, my personality, I was a do first, pray later kind of person, which meant, yep, so I was always busy, had things to do, always kind of felt that guilt in the back of my mind because I was like, okay, I’m going to pray, I’m going to pray and something would come up. The Bible study that you have is a testament 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:24) 

Mmm. 

  

Yeah, yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Barb (03:50) 

of how God guided me in his gracious love through from a do first, pray later to a pray first, pray often. And that is we all go through these seasons and these spiritual journeys. And he guided me through that in a way that allowed me to get to where I really wanted to be. A woman who prayed every day about everything without guilt or shame. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:16) 

Okay, so I want to pick up on something you just said because this is my first love of this book is that you don’t guilt us into praying more, it guides you into praying more meaningfully. And ? my goodness, it has been, it’s just an invitation. And so yeah, if you’re in that place where you’re feeling like my prayers are hitting the ceiling or I… 

  

I just I don’t even know where to start so I don’t start but here’s here’s just that my moment of honesty because Here’s the problem a lot of Bible studies sound good on the shelf, but they never get opened, right? I mean, it’s we’ve I have been an avid collector of Bible studies for probably the past 30 years my collection abounds But I feel like this one is actually practical practical and doable. So like 

  

What are those things that made it grabbable and why did you, what was your heart behind this? Who is this for? 

  

Barb (05:23) 

This Bible study is for everyone at every stage who wants to get to the place where they want to be a woman who prays about everything every day without guilt or shame. So this can be from the woman who is still trying to figure out who God is to the woman who has been following Jesus for a long time. But the heart of the study is that often our problems or our panic drive our prayers. 

  

versus us actually connecting with God. So I wanted to write a Bible study that was about God and not us. And in doing that, it was, let’s start with where Jesus walks us into prayer. And the Bible study itself is framed around walking through the Lord’s prayer as we study the whole book of the Gospel of Matthew. But I wanted it to be where we felt like we had an active role in prayer. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:05) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Barb (06:19) 

So 

  

my particular Bible study style is very application heavy. I love looking at the scriptures and going, okay, what can we learn about God and how do we apply? So each day of the Bible study is a way to step into prayer actively and creatively because I do not want Bible study to be boring. That would be the kiss of death. God is not boring. His word is not boring. So this Bible study, 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:25) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Right. No. 

  

Barb (06:47) 

provides these ways that I wanted to hit all of the senses, the thinking, the feeling, the taste, like hearing all of that. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:52) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

And I think you have, I really, really think you have in this. And I love that it’s just six weeks. I feel like six weeks is so doable, even though it’s kind of a chunky book, I’m not gonna lie. Like when I first picked it up, I’m like, oh, there’s some heft to this. And I also love that I was planning to do the whole study by myself. I’ve already delved into it. And I just had a friend who said, 

  

Need a Bible set. I’m like, you know what? It’s gonna work for the two of us too. So I’m very very excited about that Okay, here’s something I know about you Barb, because I’ve had you on many times You have been here for many a Bible study and I know that God always gives you something like a new revelation a new aha, whatever the light bulb is What was it for writing this book because God changes you in the writing of these books? 

  

I’ve seen it many times. 

  

Barb (07:55) 

Well, Kathi, have you ever had something you have been praying for for a long time and you’re like, should I keep praying for it? Why am I still praying for it? What the heck? And that was the journey with this Bible study. I tended to treat God a lot like Amazon Prime. I would have a prayer request and then two days later I would be like, so God, why haven’t you answered this prayer? 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:01) 

Yes. 

  

Right. 

  

Yes. 

  

Barb (08:22) 

Because 

  

if the Amazon Prime people can deliver my stuff in two days, I believe that God could do it a lot sooner. And so for me, this Bible study was about God kind of working the Amazon Prime mentality out. And other people kind of like God’s a vending machine. have this whole, like vending machines are stocked of all the things we love, the tasty stuff. And so people go to God and go, well, I think I should have this blessing and this blessing and this blessing. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:29) 

Right? Right? 

  

Hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Barb (08:52) 

That’s not so much me or other people treat God like customer service where you call God up and you’re like, this is a problem, Lord, you need to fix it. This is a problem. We all have those different mentalities, but mine was learning to trust God’s timing and in allow and allowing prayer to be a part of that journey. So I learned for me, the aha moment was that. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:01) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm. 

  

Barb (09:18) 

When I persisted in prayer about the thing that was the hardest for me to hold in my life, what God did every time I brought that matter to him was he was able to give me something I needed more. For this thing that that still is important to me, that I still struggle with to this day, I was feeling guilty as a Christian about 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:35) 

Mmm. 

  

Barb (09:46) 

continuing to pray about the same thing all of the time. What I learned in how Jesus taught about persisting in prayer is that when we bring it to God, he actually uses that thing as a way to bless us with teaching us more about him. So I have been able to learn more, receive more of God’s grace. I’ve been able to receive more of God’s love. I’ve been able to receive more of God’s strength. 

  

so that I don’t try to take matters in my own control. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:18) 

Yeah. 

  

Barb (10:19) 

And so that’s the been the learning blessing, the learning journey for me in this study. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:26) 

You know, I think we all have our prayer peccadillas and what I, yeah, and I, what I know mine is, is prayer tinged with jealousy. Like God, I have seen what you’ve done for others. I want that. And to understand that God knows what is best for me, what is best for his kingdom. 

  

Barb (10:31) 

Here, I can deal with 

  

Hmm. 

  

Hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:55) 

Is not always what I have seen others have and so i’m still wrestling with that I still fight with that and I think you know, it’s It’s very interesting Here’s my question. We all have these these prayer struggles. What what does matthew say about that? 

  

Barb (11:14) 

Well, this is where coming up a verse that I have focused on. It’s right before Jesus teaches about the Lord’s Prayer in Matthew chapter six, three verses before that, Jesus says, don’t be like the babblers who repeat what they’re praying. And I actually just I want to read it because it has really made such a difference for me. He says when he says that, 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:19) 

Yeah. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Barb (11:43) 

Let me, okay, when you pray, don’t babble on and on as the Gentiles do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. This is what I love. Don’t be like them, for your father knows exactly what you need even before you ask. And I was thinking about this because I’m going to tell the very, very small version of this. This story isn’t in the book, but when I was 18, it was my, it was my first semester of college at Christmas break. 

  

And I had been worrying myself sick because I didn’t have the $300 I needed for book money. This was in 1990. My dad called me downstairs and he wanted me to sit down on the couch and he said, Barbara, do you have enough money for books? And my dad was such a loving, kind man, but you did not lie to Bob Neal. And so my eyes dropped to the brass and glass coffee table that my parents had because it was 1990. And I just. 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:19) 

Yeah. 

  

Hahaha! 

  

Absolutely. 

  

Barb (12:41) 

right? So I shook my head no and my dad pulled out a crisp $100 bill and he laid it on that table. Kathi, dad had lost his long time career six weeks before I left for university. I still had two siblings at home. My parents were trying to make ends meet and my eyes bucked wide open and he said, that not, is that enough money? And I shook my head no because I couldn’t lie. My dad pulled out a second crisp 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:47) 

Mm. 

  

Right. 

  

Barb (13:10) 

$100 bill. This is a week after Christmas. Me and I’m going, what is happening? Where is this coming from? Dad said, is that enough? And I said, I shook my head no. He pulled out a crisp $100 bill and laid them next to the other two. I never told my parents I needed $300 in books. 

  

I never talked to them. I simply was stressed out, crying all the time. I’d spent all of my Christmas break working temp jobs. And my parents knew what I needed, even though I was at school two and a half hours away. And they had access to resources and understanding beyond what even I knew. And I think that that’s what happens to us when we think about God. 

  

We repeat our prayers over and over again, but our prayers are driven by our panic rather than our trust. Kathi, how many prayers has God answered in your life that you’ve never prayed? 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:14) 

Countless. Countless! That’s the only word. Countless. 

  

Barb (14:18) 

And so the point of prayer for us isn’t that we need to ask God for things. It’s that we need to be able to see who God is. And so this Bible study, I said it’s about God, not us. So I’ve structured it around four parts of God, who God is, his character, what God has done, his faithfulness, what God can do, his power, and what God will do, his promises. 

  

And that’s what the study is structured around because God knows what we need even before we ask. We can trust him. 

  

Kathi Lipp (14:55) 

that’s exactly why this book is staying in my house. Guys, it’s not just pretty, it’s useful. And for someone like me, who’s trying to keep only what matters, I mean, that is everything. Okay, friends, you can grab Matthew Pray Like This wherever books are sold. We’ll have a link in the show notes. Barb, thank you for writing. Thank you for just talking to us about prayer today. And 

  

If you have stumbled in your prayer life or maybe you’ve been hurt by unanswered or delayed prayers, just know that God has you. God sees you. if you need a, I just pray that this conversation has made you feel held when things are not as you hoped for or planned or expected. Friends, 

  

You’ve been listening to ClutterFree Academy. I am Kathi Lipp. Now, go create the clutter free life you’ve always wanted to live. 

 

 

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Tonya Kubo

Tonya Kubo is the illustrious and fearless leader of Kathi Lipp’s Clutter Free Academy Facebook group and the Clutter Free for Life membership program. A professional community strategist, she believes everyone deserves to have a place online where they feel like they belong. Raised by a hoarder, Tonya knows firsthand the pain and isolation that comes from living in conditions others don’t understand. She wants better for her family and her cluttery peeps, which is why she is passionate about the compassionate slow-and-steady approach that makes Clutter Free unique. She lives in the heart of California with her husband, Brian, their two spirited daughters, and one very tolerant cat. Visit tonyakubo.com to find out more about her community work, or email her at tonya@kathilipp.org to discuss the Clutter Free Academy podcast and programs.

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Tenneil Register

Tenneil Register can be found creating, repurposing, decorating, gardening and welcoming guests to their reclaimed barn storefront. She and her husband, Cowboy, established rural roots for their blended family of 7 in their DIY ranch home in Iowa. Connect with her on Instagram for practical ideas to reclaim your home.

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Transcript

Kathi Lipp (00:08) 

Well, hey friends, welcome to Clutter Free Academy, where our goal is to help you take small, doable steps to live every day with less clutter and more life. And we are back. We have a three-part series here on sentimental items, how hard they are to declutter, what do we do with them, and maybe just a couple of pieces of advice to say it’s okay to get rid of it and prove that you don’t hate. 

  

the other person who gave it to you or your own life. And I’ve got two of my favorite cluttery experts here. We’ve got Tonya Kubo and Tenneil Register. Hey guys, welcome back to the program. 

  

Tonya Kubo (00:48) 

Hey, Kathi, . 

  

Tenneil (00:49) 

Hey there! 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:51) 

Okay, so Here’s what I want to talk about today Because you guys are such geniuses Tonya about making the hard decisions about getting rid of to Tenneil once you’ve made the decision to keep it What do you actually do with it? And Last week we talked about your kids stuff, which has so much emotional attachment next week We’re to talk about the stuff from people who have passed on 

  

I mean, like we’re just bringing out all the hard hitting subjects right now. But today I want to talk about our own stuff. And I want to talk about why do we hang on to things that is that maybe we know we’re never going to use them. We know that we maybe we don’t even really love them, but we feel such an obligation to keep them. 

  

I’ve had that for a couple of different items in my life I feel like Through a lot of growth and let me be honest from a couple of people passing on I’ve been able to get rid of some things But I just wonder do any either of you have any insight to this? Why do we hang on to stuff even? Sometimes I don’t even think it brings back great memories, but we just can’t seem to let it go 

  

Tenneil (02:16) 

Letting go is scary because we’re wondering what that means about us and what that means about that relationship. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:25) 

Tell me more about that. 

  

Tenneil (02:28) 

So when we’re walking through it and we are still holding on to a physical object, we’re still giving ourselves time to figure it out, figure out the relationship, figure out what it meant, figure out how to grieve, figure out how to hold on. And we find something significant about doing the physical let go. And so we kind of want to know for sure that we’ve done the emotional part correctly if we do the 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:42) 

Yeah. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil (02:56) 

physical part correctly. We’re like looking for affirmation. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:01) 

Okay, okay, I totally get that. I have a question for both of you. Are you guys hanger on-ers to your own stuff? We’re not not stuff you’ve been given necessarily, or are you letter goers? 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:14) 

It takes me a while. Like I am in general, my cluttery problem is not that I acquire a lot. I am not a big shopper. I just don’t know what to do with stuff once I have it. So I tend to be a keeper. So like what we have been, you we talk about this all the time. It has taken Brian and I have been married now 16 years and it’s just this year that we’re getting rid of the wedding pictures from our first marriages. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:25) 

? yeah. 

  

Yeah, that’s a hard one. It’s a hard one. 

  

Tonya Kubo (03:41) 

Well, and it’s back to what Tenneil said, because I’m thinking like where I keep those photos is also where all of the prom stuff is. And I don’t know if so this is the thing is this does not hit home with current teens at all because this is not how they do prom. But prom in the 90s was a whole thing of a thing. You paid your money. You got your photo album with the theme on the cover. You got your champagne flutes. Why did they give us champagne flutes? It’s not like we could drink at that age, but they did. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:59) 

Absolutely. 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:10) 

And we got a key chain, got all these things that matched the theme. And I remember thinking it was so important to have that stuff back then. And now I look at it and I’m like, what am I supposed to do with this? Like all I can think about is we had one year where the theme was from dusk till dawn. And that’s when the Quentin Tarantino movie came out. So every time I look at it, I go, I remember how excited I was to see that movie and how horrible that movie was. 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:36) 

Okay, there we go. I love that that’s the memory that pops up for you. 

  

Tonya Kubo (04:38) 

So as, right, 

  

why am I still keeping that stuff if that’s the memory that pops up? I’m keeping that stuff because I go, well, when I go to my high school reunion, are other people gonna have it? Are other people gonna talk about keeping it? What does it say about me and my high school years and what I think about all the people I went into prom with if I get rid of this, which is what I really want to do? 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:04) 

Yeah, ? really interesting. How about you, Tenneil? Are you a hangar oner or a letter goer? 

  

Tenneil (05:10) 

So I’m somewhere in the middle. I’ve become much better letting it go. think transitions of life. I do still have first wedding pictures also because I thought that my child would want them, but he doesn’t. So I’m really close on that one too. Tonya, have to tell you though, let go of the prom stuff. I’ve had my reunion. There was one really great thing that somebody brought from the reunion. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:23) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:25) 

Nope, they 

  

don’t. 

  

Tenneil (05:38) 

It was the school handbook for our very conservative parochial school. And that makes for excellent conversation. So if your key chain’s not gonna make for good conversation, let it go. 

  

Tonya Kubo (05:51) 

Fair enough. 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:51) 

Hmm 

  

really interesting. Yeah, I want to talk about the emotional drivers that sit behind our inability to let things go so Tonya you and I have talked about this for years fear what if I need it someday or the other version of that is what if I regret letting this go and Guilt this was from somebody that was important in my life whether I’m no longer in touch with them or maybe they’ve passed on something like that 

  

And then I think there’s a third one here, identity. Guys, again, I’m bringing up old stories, but I only have one life to live. And so I only have so many stories. But I was a sales rep for years and years and years. And I invested in these leather cases for catalogs. And this was important in my job. 

  

We did not have a laptop to bring around. These were leather cases that we put, you know, the A &A plush and the Carolina candles and all those catalogs in. I would take them into a store and somebody would order something and I’d go home and write up the order. It feels very archaic now. I could not get rid of those leather cases for the longest time because they were expensive. And you know, the year I bought them, I bought them because I was salesperson of the year. 

  

And that was important to me. That meant something to me. And so that was, it was an identity. I didn’t recognize it at the time, but it was an identity thing saying, you know what, because then I went home and I was homeschooling my kids and then I went through a divorce and I was working at a job that wasn’t my favorite. And I could look at those cases and say, okay, but I had it going on 

  

like and maybe I’ll have it going on again. You know, sometimes we keep things not out of love but out of guilt, fear or the need to remember who we were. And I just think it’s so important to really recognize why are we hanging on to things that make no sense. By the way, I no longer have those leather cases. It’s probably been 20 years now. I’m good. But at the time, and I think we all have those things like that. 

  

Tonya Kubo (07:48) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:16) 

We have somebody in our life who says or maybe it’s media. You’ll regret getting rid of that You’ll regret it. So One of the things that Tonya and I have talked about a lot in our group Clutter free for life that if you love it show it so if you if you say that you love this purse But you have it in a box in your garage. I question your love 

  

And so I wanna talk about some ways that we can display things. And one of my favorites is I have a friend, Robin Neal, who we’ve been friends for a really long time. And her father-in-law had passed away earlier the year of this story. And he was famous for his chili recipe. And so she had a butcher block inscribed. 

  

with her father-in-law’s handwriting with the chili recipe. And there’s a great picture that went around TikTok. And I think it had something like six million views. It was crazy. It went crazy of her husband opening up this package and seeing that and what it meant to him. But it wasn’t just keeping the recipe and even just framing a recipe could have been cool, but this took it a step beyond. And when we wanna talk about the step beyond 

  

Tonya Kubo (09:24) 

wow. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:42) 

We come to Tenneil Register. We’d love some ideas for things that maybe they’re not super useful day to day, but can give us some ideas of, I don’t want to get rid of it because it’s important to me. I’ve discovered I’m not keeping out of fear or guilt or false sense of identity. No, it really brings back happy memories and I want it. 

  

Tenneil (10:05) 

Yeah, I want to share a recipe idea too, because it’s always such a favorite. And that is at Christmas time, have a small tree in your kitchen and hang the recipe cards for family recipes like this all over the tree. And if you have grandma’s old utensils or something like that, you can hang it on the tree. Then the rest of the year, you can pack that down into a small little tote and you have 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:09) 

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil (10:34) 

At the time of year that you’re gathering with your family in your kitchen, you can pull out these recipes and these little utensils and do a kitchen tree. It is usually everyone’s favorite idea of how to remember grandma. 

  

Kathi Lipp (10:46) 

Okay, I want to spin off on this for just a second because I think we think if we want to put something up it has to be up all year round and I am a very seasonal girl like every spring summer fall winter I’ve got a little tote where I’m pulling things out not just the fall decor. It’s not that it’s the Native American dolls that my friend Susie gave to me that I put in the fall decor. It’s the 

  

Tonya Kubo (10:55) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:14) 

picture that my grandmother passed down to me that I have out in the spring. But I don’t have it out year round because my house would be an antique store. But it’s I love the idea of switching things out. Okay, what are some other ideas to Tenneil? 

  

Tenneil (11:30) 

Yeah, so another one is make sure you’re using the things you can use. like sometimes, you know, that’s like a vase and we’re afraid to use it because it might get broken or something like that. If like you said, if we love it, use it. But also like maybe you don’t put fresh flowers in vases. I use a lot of like sentimental items. I think you might even be able to see one on the video behind me as bookends. So like a vase from China is 

  

Kathi Lipp (11:36) 

Mm. 

  

Yes. 

  

Tenneil (11:59) 

holding up as a book in for my actual books that I need to use throughout the day. And so incorporating those so that if it’s functional, then we’re not setting up a museum, right? And that’s what we want to avoid is having a museum of things. We want to have a home that’s been built over time that’s functional. And so I think asking yourself, how can I use it is really, really the most important question if you 

  

Kathi Lipp (12:04) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Right. 

  

? I love that so much. And I think that displaying something, being surrounded by things you love is such a gift to yourself. And it shows the life you have and the hopes and dreams you’ve had. know, Tonya, do you have any ideas that you could share with us on this topic? 

  

Tonya Kubo (12:50) 

Well, mean, I second what Tenneil says. It’s like, if you can create something functional out of it, I think that’s brilliant. know, the recipe cards. I knew a woman who had her mom’s recipes all framed in the kitchen. And it was such an easy way to decorate an apartment and make an apartment feel homey. And part of it was that her mom’s handwriting in and of itself was a beautiful decor in addition to the recipes. 

  

And I think, you know, I think we need to give ourselves permission to not be connected to the items. Like it is okay that that meant a lot to you 15 years ago, and it can have meant a lot 15 years ago and not mean as much today. And that doesn’t make you a bad person. 

  

Kathi Lipp (13:31) 

Mm hmm. Right. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

I love it. Yeah, you know, what I’ve had to discover is that having, using what I can or have it when I can’t use something, but it’s still precious to me. I was just visiting my friend Sherry, our friend Sherry, and she gave me a little framed sunflower. And that was her daughter who had passed away, her favorite flower. 

  

Like there’s no practical use for it, but I’m not getting rid of it because I love it. And so it has yellows in it. So I put it with some blue little vases that I really like. And sometimes the vases have flowers in them and sometimes they don’t, but a little vignette is, a fun thing. And you can, you can make a vignette out of the weirdest stuff. I, I came in second place in a baby contest when, you know, 

  

56 years ago. I’ve got the little trophy. I it means nothing to anybody But I just like having it on display because I’m like what a weird thing and I love it so, know and sometimes we don’t want to use things because We don’t want them to get broken. We don’t want them to get chipped So we keep them away, but when something feels too precious to use or display I think we have to ask ourselves. Am I protecting it or 

  

Tonya Kubo (14:44) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:00) 

Is it protecting me from dealing with letting it go? Like, am I too afraid to unpack those emotions? And maybe you can’t unpack the emotions right now, but it’s okay. We’re gonna take a quick commercial break and then we’re gonna come back and we’re gonna talk about Tenneil’s favorite subject, repurposing. Okay, so we’re gonna, we’ll be right back. Okay, we are back with Tonya and Tenneil. Tenneil, how do you? 

  

I want you to talk about more ideas for repurposing. Give us some more ideas because you’re such a genius at this. And I want you to give us your weirdest and wackiest ideas. 

  

Tenneil (15:39) 

Oh boy. Well, I was going to start with the plain ones, Kathi, , but we’ll start with the plain ones. So your plain ones is right, like a teacup. If you don’t drink tea from it, but it’s grandma’s teacup, can it hold your rings? Can it hold soap? Right? And even like your little sunflower picture, is it something that should be out all the time or should it come out just during the month of May that you get out the tea 

  

Kathi Lipp (15:44) 

Go f- start there and then build our way up, yes. 

  

you 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil (16:09) 

for the soap, know, like that 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:10) 

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil (16:10) 

kind of thing, so that you’re going through a process. Wackier ideas is like the things you can hang on the wall. So when you were talking about your leather suitcases, I actually have a bag from my corporate days too that I still love, but I don’t carry it. So it hangs on the coat rack by my front door for like your everyday clutter that you need to hide in a hurry. And it’s just like a hiding place, right? It looks like a bag I carry in and out, but I actually… 

  

don’t, right? And so, grandpa’s, you know, hand rake, if grandpa was a gardener, right, hang that on the wall and use that to hang your necklaces off next to your closet or hang the dog leash on next to the door where you head out, just to turn the object upside down, inside out, spin it round and round until you can find some other form. 

  

Kathi Lipp (16:40) 

Yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

? 

  

? I need to be thinking about this. Okay, so I’m gonna throw a couple objects at you. This is our game show. And I want you to tell me, okay, so not only do I have one spoon that is precious to me, I have two. One that we found buried on the property here, and it’s from a company called Rogers Brothers. 

  

and we looked it up, it’s from the 1920s. And then I have one of my grandmother’s serving spoons. Like, what do I do with those? 

  

Tenneil (17:41) 

Well, I mean, first of all, are they usable? Like, can you stir your coffee with it? The rogers spoon? 

  

Kathi Lipp (17:46) 

just that 

  

they’re giant and I’m worried would I get poisoning from them but maybe that could use them yeah yeah I would need to figure that out yes 

  

Tonya Kubo (17:52) 

I was gonna say, this lead poisoning? I don’t know. 

  

Tenneil (17:58) 

So a big spoon, one of the ideas we’ve done in the store and people usually love because they usually have one like an old spoon or ladle or something. If you’re able to hang it on the wall and it makes a cup, you can put like a little plant or succulent or something like that. Or you could have your kitchen keys, your keys or whatever, if you need it to be functional. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:09) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

I love that idea. And I love the idea what you were talking about the rake where you could put a dog leash or something like that. I love that idea. Okay, I’m trying to think. I have lots of cards that people have sent me and I get rid of most of them. But what’s an idea for the ones that you want to keep? 

  

Tenneil (18:39) 

Yeah, this one’s not overly creative, but it looks a little better than a bulletin board. I have a screen in my office. It’s like a wood frame that’s a screen. It’s industrial off the farm. And I have clothes pins on it where I can rotate out cards or inspirational sayings. I’ve got a couple of pictures of my grandparents. Just my own kind of teenager pin board in my office. But to keep up with looking bulletin board, it’s actually like an industrial primitive screen. 

  

Kathi Lipp (18:43) 

I’ll take it. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Mmm. 

  

Tenneil (19:09) 

you could do it with an old window screen too. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:09) 

? 

  

okay, I love that. Tonya, I’m gonna ask you for one in just a second. But, Tenneil, another thing I would be interesting to get some ideas from, if you have somebody in your family, they wore a uniform, you know, like I’m thinking like, you know, firefighter, police officer, they have a badge, they have a hat, like, what are your ideas for that? 

  

Tenneil (19:34) 

Yeah, so some people go full out, right? Like shadow box on the wall, it’s that important. You mentioned last time we were talking about kids, like sometimes it works to get it out seasonally, you know, for that moment of memorial. But I think it’s kind of choosing an item from it, right? The hat, can it be worked into your mantle decor, that kind of thing? Or like I think of a fireman’s jacket. I could see some semblance to leaving that on your coat rack next to the door. 

  

Kathi Lipp (19:46) 

Mm-hmm, yeah. 

  

Right. 

  

Tenneil (20:04) 

just there as a statement kind of thing. 

  

Kathi Lipp (20:07) 

Yeah, 

  

and guys don’t be afraid to look at something like Etsy if you’re not the crafty person because they can take grandma’s china that was broken and turn that into a necklace or something along those lines Tonya jump in here play the game. What’s something that you would throw it to Tenneil? 

  

Tonya Kubo (20:26) 

Something that I would throw at Tenneil, baby teeth. 

  

Tenneil (20:29) 

yeah. 

  

Okay. I’m going to say first of all that I’m pro getting rid of the baby teeth. And I believe there should be a tradition when the truth comes out about the tooth fairy that we give those babies back and the kid can decide like, we want to bury them or what do we want to do? 

  

one for you all that is still a thing in our house and that is a first pacifier. I think at 17 my kids still finds a little joy from knowing it’s in the top drawer of my jewelry. 

  

Kathi Lipp (21:07) 

Oh my gosh. You guys, anything that somebody has sucked on? I don’t know. I don’t know. 

  

Tonya Kubo (21:15) 

I didn’t 

  

have a pacifier, my children never had pacifiers, so I have no pacifiers in my home. 

  

Kathi Lipp (21:19) 

? my- 

  

Okay, we went to the hospital in the middle of the night to get Justin his pacifier that he was going to die without apparently. Like, because he didn’t know the difference between, you know, not having a pacifier and me dumping him off at the orphanage. Like they were on the same plane. Okay. Yeah, I love the idea of like, 

  

Tonya Kubo (21:32) 

? 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Tenneil (21:41) 

Thank 

  

Kathi Lipp (21:48) 

burying the teeth for the tooth fairy to recycle or something. I love that idea. Guys, I love this so much because our memories shouldn’t live in an attic, they should be in our lives. They should be incorporated into our lives. And Tenneil is so good at this. Tenneil, would love, you you said at the store, what people may not know is you own a beautiful store. What’s it called? 

  

Tenneil (21:52) 

Right? 

  

Yeah, R7 reclaimed and it’s a vintage barn and so we specialize in how to recycle and, you know, reclaim the unexpected. 

  

Kathi Lipp (22:17) 

Yeah. 

  

Yeah, okay at some point what I’m gonna do if you’re a listener and you’re like I have this weird item that I would like to know how to incorporate I’m gonna book another show and what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna bring these ladies back and We’re gonna come up with those weird items. I’m gonna read them off. I’m not gonna give to Tenneil any prep Because she is so creative. She is seen and done everything No 

  

Tonya Kubo (22:45) 

Ooh. 

  

Tenneil (22:49) 

Are you gonna save me at all? 

  

Tonya Kubo (22:53) 

I will prep, I will do homework for you, Tenneil, because I’m the person who threw baby teeth at you, okay? 

  

Kathi Lipp (22:59) 

Yeah 

  

my goodness, I love this so much. Okay, guys, just remember, you deserve to enjoy your sentimental items, not be overwhelmed by them. Okay, thank you ladies so much for being here. Guys, we’re gonna be back in just a moment with my new favorite segment, Stuff That Has Earned A Place In My House. We will be right back. 

 

PART 2 

Kathi Lipp (00:00) 

Well, welcome back to ClutterFree Academy. ? 

  

Today in our third segment is another episode of things that have earned a place in my clutter free home. And I’ve got my friend, Tenneil Register. Tenneil’s part of my team, but also my friend. And if you need your house redecorated, just invite her over and let her sit amongst your house and she will not be able to help herself. That’s just the kind, but she’ll only do it with your permission. Hey Tenneil. 

  

Tenneil (00:27) 

Yeah. 

  

such 

  

an accurate version of me. I’ll be switching, but I’ll wait for permission. 

  

Kathi Lipp (00:36) 

Well 

  

You were you were not rooted at all. I’m like, please please please because here’s the thing I think other people can sometimes see things that you know, you just live with all the time, right? And you think you don’t think about things being in a different way and we were literally moving dressers upstairs from downstairs and You know when I bought this house man, you know things were where they were and I changed a ton of stuff 

  

but some of the stuff I left just where it was because I thought it was cute. But then your house moves and things like that and you just have to figure out new solutions. And that’s one of the things we’re gonna talk about today is figuring out new solutions. there’s very little that I get to influence Tenneil about, but I influenced you and that makes me very happy. And it was so funny. I’ll tell you this Tenneil and then we’ll actually talk about the item. 

  

You know Roger and I were going to a church and we have since left this church so I’m not telling any tales out of school but ? one of the pastors did a whole sermon on like the worst thing that your child could grow up to be is an influencer and I’m like well, okay, first of all, thanks ? But I also think isn’t that what everybody does? We’re trying if you’re a politician, you’re an influencer if you’re on TV, you’re an 

  

Like we’re all influenced and I want to influence people one to not buy things that they don’t need but two if something works for me I want to share about it because it’s made my life better, right? 

  

Tenneil (02:16) 

Yes, and for most of us, at least listening to this podcast in America, we’re probably gonna spend our money on something. So if it’s something that makes your life easier and makes you happy, I love when people share what’s working for them. It just gives me new ideas. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:29) 

Right. And that’s the thing. I don’t want to spend my money on stuff that doesn’t work. And so, so let me tell you how I influenced Tenneil. Now, some of you have listened to the podcast where I was talking about organizing your pots and pans and ? Tenneil I, the day that podcast came out, she’s like, I’m getting that pan organizer. And okay, so I’m going to tell you my experience with it. then 

  

Tenneil (02:34) 

Yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (02:55) 

I want to hear yours. And I don’t know what her experience is. I just told her, Hey, we’re recording this episode. I’ll find out if you liked it or not. But I’m going to tell you what my experience was. my, have a corner cabinet in the kitchen and pots and pans. They were such a pain that my husband who everybody I know, you know, I, everybody knows I, I, I don’t worship him. only worship God, but 

  

Tenneil (03:24) 

Admire. 

  

Kathi Lipp (03:25) 

I admire greatly, but it got to the point where he was setting out to dry the pots and pans on a pretty regular basis because there’s such a pain in the rear to put away. And so he also, he still does this with our, our, ? not Tupperware. I can you tell I’m a child of the eighties. I call it Tupperware, but, yeah, he doesn’t like that either, but that’s very easy to put away. So I bought, 

  

this it’s called ? Muddella eight tier heavy duty adjustable pan organizing rack for kitchen cabinet storage and organization. So I mean, that is a mouthful. But what it does is it’s so you don’t put your pans or your pots inside of each other. They’re each on their own level. And I have to say the amount of people who now put away their pots and pans in my household. 

  

or even people who are visiting ? without being harangued has gone up 100%. Including me, by the way, including me, because I used to avoid it too. Okay, so now I don’t know, this is honest reaction, not that we’re gonna ever lie to you guys, but ? Tenneil, what is your unbiased reaction about this pot and pan organizer? 

  

Tenneil (04:49) 

I love it. So I was so excited because our pot in pan one, I’m like the only one who can do it correctly, right? 

  

Kathi Lipp (04:55) 

Yes, 

  

nobody can do it like mom does it. 

  

Tenneil (05:00) 

And similarly, we tend to leave them out like on the stove kind of ready to reuse because it’s irritating and we cook a lot. So I was super excited about this pot and pan holder and I ordered it and it was super late at night when it was delivered from Amazon. Everyone was like, who’s at the door? And so I start putting it together. So it was a whole family activity of watching me, you know, put this together. Me explaining that I’d ordered it off the podcast. I just, I don’t usually do that kind of 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:04) 

Yeah. 

  

Mm-hmm. 

  

Tenneil (05:29) 

And so they were super intrigued. The guys in my house were really impressed with the design. And I got down on the floor to put it in my cabinet and it didn’t fit because I didn’t measure first. And I was like so bummed. But I was like, this thing though, it makes sense. This thing makes sense. And so I scooted my little rear over to the next cabinet, to my corner cabinet, where I also have like 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:30) 

Yeah, yeah. 

  

Ooh! 

  

? no. 

  

Yes. 

  

Yeah. 

  

Tenneil (05:57) 

piles of things, but they’re a little bit different. They’re like containers that I take cookies in, deviled eggs, tray, strainers stuff like that. And it worked brilliantly in there to stack all that stuff up and each have its own, it’s almost like a slot, its own shelf, right? And I ordered a second one to do under there. And then ? we’re still gonna order another one. We can make it fit our pan cabinet, but our pan cabinet has a 

  

Kathi Lipp (05:58) 

Mm-hmm. 

  

Yeah, 

  

Yes, right. 

  

Tenneil (06:26) 

like a top shelf in it, half shelf. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:29) 

That’s mine does too. Yes. 

  

Tenneil (06:30) 

And so you 

  

need to remove that for this to really do its job, which is okay. I would prefer it be gone in this baby work. 

  

Kathi Lipp (06:38) 

Yes. 

  

So for some reason, this works with my half shelf. It just, mean, yeah, it’s a little, it loses a little space. But what I’ve done is I’ve put my turkey roasting pan behind that, which I only need to get to once a year. And I only need to get to it when my 30 year olds are in the house and one of them can do the crawling. So I’m fine with that. So yeah. So, ? okay. I, I’ve never given, you know, a 

  

a ranking on this portion of the podcast. But for me, this is a 10 out of 10. It solves a huge problem. It isn’t crazy expensive. It’s not cheap, but I also don’t want cheap because I want this to last for a long time. It’s $31 and ? I just got it off of Amazon. We will put the link in the notes ? and you don’t have to give it a 10 out of 10, but what is your ranking for it? 

  

Tenneil (07:32) 

Yeah, for sure for what it did for me, I would give it a 9 out of 10 for the space that it fixed for me and I’d give it a 10 out of 10 if it measured correctly, but that’s on me, not on the product, right? 

  

Kathi Lipp (07:37) 

Yeah. 

  

Okay, 

  

but you know what this is really good to know that you should take that extra three minutes and Measure that space and guys, you know, I’ve talked about how I’ve ordered and I’ll put a link to these two I’ve ordered ? Those a dozen of the tiny measuring tape. So I have one in every room of the house because I That saves me a trip into town to return something 

  

Tenneil (07:49) 

Yeah! 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:08) 

And yeah, so many times I wish it worked better on clothes because like I still end up returning clothes because I don’t know what size I am anymore. But for things in your house, it’s always good to just take that extra second to measure. I bet nine times out of 10 Tenneil, you can eyeball stuff. I bet you. 

  

Tenneil (08:29) 

Yeah, 

  

and when it comes to like furniture and other spaces, I pretty well have nailed that and I measure a lot of stuff. I just didn’t think through. I was so excited about it on the podcast. So, yeah. 

  

Kathi Lipp (08:33) 

Go. 

  

No, of course not. Yeah, exactly. 

  

Okay, friends. So this is called the Mudella eight tier heavy duty adjustable pan organizer rack for kitchen cabinet storage and organization. And so ? I, like I said, love this thing. If you are struggling with what to do with your pots and pans, this is worth trying. As you know, Amazon, you can always return things. 

  

But yeah, this works for us. And I noticed like it’s saying free delivery today, 5 to 10 PM. Yeah, and here’s the thing guys, it doesn’t do free delivery to my house. It does free delivery to my mom’s house. But if I really needed it, we could do it. So I’ve ordered the second one. 

  

Tenneil (09:19) 

No. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:26) 

And yeah, we’re gonna be so organized. It’s gonna make cooking a dream. I’m so excited. Tenneil thanks for sharing my love of pot and pan organization. It makes me super happy. 

  

Tenneil (09:37) 

Yes, it’s the little things. 

  

Kathi Lipp (09:39) 

It’s the little things, that’s true. Anytime you can remove an obstacle from something you have to do is huge. Well friends, you have been listening to ClutterFree Academy, I’m Kathi Lipp, now go create the clutter free life you’ve always wanted to live. 

 

 

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